I think that I'd rather NOT see that, actually.
Here's a fun bit of trivia about this episode. The blonde detective-lady is played by the same actress who played B'Etor. You know, one of the Duras sisters.
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I think that I'd rather NOT see that, actually.
Here's a fun bit of trivia about this episode. The blonde detective-lady is played by the same actress who played B'Etor. You know, one of the Duras sisters.
I totally agree with your review of Year of Hell.
I know there are lots of fans who apologize all of Janeways decisions, but this isn`t the only time Janeway disregarded the Starfleet principles.
Although I like the episode this is one part of it I don`t like.
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I"m back at last, with...
"Concerning Flight"
For some reason, I've got a really strong aversion to historical re-enactors. I might have been stepped on by a Mark Twain impersonator as a baby or something, because whenever I see historical figures brought to life in fiction, my eyes just glaze over.
So, despite John Rhys-Davies being pretty awesome, and his DaVinci being pretty good, I wasn't totally enthused once I realized that he'd be the focal point of this episode. My chariness wasn't helped when my daughter started yelling, "It's Santa Claus! It's Santa Claus!" and I couldn't really correct her, because he looked a lot like Santa.
But on the whole it was a pretty good episode. Sure, there were some illogical things in it, but it was enjoyable to watch. Janeway got out of her uniform and into a dress-type thing (which I liked, though it was a bit drab for my tastes), and Tuvok got some very good comedy in.
First prize goes to: "Fire at will"/"The will is present, but not the means." And the Scandinavian crack, too. This was a good Tuvok episode.
No one else got that much to do, though Harry got some time alone with Seven.
Some of the illogical stuff happens late in the episode, like when Janeway's pursuers stand there, without shooting or advancing, while she and DaVinci get into the glider. But I loved the look the number two guy gave his boss when they escaped. It was like, "What is it with you, man?"
I liked the Doctor as a gossip hound, too. Him and Seven are priceless together.
So this was a fun one.
"Concerning Flight"
For some reason, I've got a really strong aversion to historical re-enactors. I might have been stepped on by a Mark Twain impersonator as a baby or something, because whenever I see historical figures brought to life in fiction, my eyes just glaze over.
So, despite John Rhys-Davies being pretty awesome, and his DaVinci being pretty good, I wasn't totally enthused once I realized that he'd be the focal point of this episode. My chariness wasn't helped when my daughter started yelling, "It's Santa Claus! It's Santa Claus!" and I couldn't really correct her, because he looked a lot like Santa.
But on the whole it was a pretty good episode. Sure, there were some illogical things in it, but it was enjoyable to watch. Janeway got out of her uniform and into a dress-type thing (which I liked, though it was a bit drab for my tastes), and Tuvok got some very good comedy in.
First prize goes to: "Fire at will"/"The will is present, but not the means." And the Scandinavian crack, too. This was a good Tuvok episode.
No one else got that much to do, though Harry got some time alone with Seven.
Some of the illogical stuff happens late in the episode, like when Janeway's pursuers stand there, without shooting or advancing, while she and DaVinci get into the glider. But I loved the look the number two guy gave his boss when they escaped. It was like, "What is it with you, man?"
I liked the Doctor as a gossip hound, too. Him and Seven are priceless together.
So this was a fun one.
The same thing happened in my house, only I was the one doing the yelling.
You're right. Not a great episode, but a fun one. "Cute", maybe is the word for it.
ETA: I miss Stained Glass Kirk.
I think Ransom said it best: "It's hard to hold on to your values and principals when you're surrounded by a crew that's starving."
It's not about Starfleet princilpals as it is a reflection on human nature.
All the laws in the world still can't make us perfect people.
That may be why a lot of Voyager fans are also fans of nuBSG. Personally I like how the stories were more character-driven than Trek stories in general. That is not to say I agree with every decision Moore made like the Lee/Starbuck/Dee/Anders quadrangle...
Time to shuffle off to...
"Mortal Coil"
Boy oh boy oh boy. This one was actually kind of tedious. It's not necessarily that I didn't like it--there was something really off about the pacing that hurt the flow of the episode.
First we had an interminable seven-minute tease that felt like a hour. It was mostly a day in the life of Neelix, until it became a day in the death of Neelix. Did you cheer? Just a little? OK, I don't feel so bad, then.
So Seven's Borg nanoprobes can resurrect the dead? I can see why people got annoyed at her "magical" powers. One quibble: Neelix has been dead for 18 hours. She says that they've brought back drones who've been dead for 73 hours. Then she says, "We must hurry." Don't they have a good two days to thresh this out? Why not have a town hall meeting about it?
The thing I don't get is how everyone talks about how great and special Neelix is, while we mostly see him being annoying.
So they bring Neelix back, and he has a crisis of faith.
It had the potential to be a good episode, and parts of it were good, but on the whole it just fell flat. Part of it was the pacing, but mostly its because it's Neelix we're talking about.
There were a few funny moments--when he said he had Tuvok's respect, I snorted, and in that last scene on the transporter pad, when Samantha Wildman burst in, asked him why he didn't answer, then said, "Wait. Is something going on here?"
All in all, not bad, but probably not one I'll rewatch.
"Mortal Coil"
Boy oh boy oh boy. This one was actually kind of tedious. It's not necessarily that I didn't like it--there was something really off about the pacing that hurt the flow of the episode.
First we had an interminable seven-minute tease that felt like a hour. It was mostly a day in the life of Neelix, until it became a day in the death of Neelix. Did you cheer? Just a little? OK, I don't feel so bad, then.
So Seven's Borg nanoprobes can resurrect the dead? I can see why people got annoyed at her "magical" powers. One quibble: Neelix has been dead for 18 hours. She says that they've brought back drones who've been dead for 73 hours. Then she says, "We must hurry." Don't they have a good two days to thresh this out? Why not have a town hall meeting about it?
The thing I don't get is how everyone talks about how great and special Neelix is, while we mostly see him being annoying.
So they bring Neelix back, and he has a crisis of faith.
It had the potential to be a good episode, and parts of it were good, but on the whole it just fell flat. Part of it was the pacing, but mostly its because it's Neelix we're talking about.
There were a few funny moments--when he said he had Tuvok's respect, I snorted, and in that last scene on the transporter pad, when Samantha Wildman burst in, asked him why he didn't answer, then said, "Wait. Is something going on here?"
All in all, not bad, but probably not one I'll rewatch.
I see what you did there.
I actually like this one, but I'm weird in that I have a soft spot for the guy.
I agree that the pacing's a bit off, though, and I don't think it was a good idea to imply that Seven's deus ex nanoprobes can bring back people who have been dead for days. That's just going to make viewers question every death for the rest of the show.
For someone like me who believes in the afterlife, though, this episode raises some interesting points and questions.
^ It does, and the last shot was a bit bittersweet.
This is what, the third time VOY's dealt with the afterlife in one form or another so far?
"Emanations"--Kim comes back from someone else's afterlife
"Coda"--Janeway is presumed dead for much of the episode, at least in her mind
This is what, the third time VOY's dealt with the afterlife in one form or another so far?
"Emanations"--Kim comes back from someone else's afterlife
"Coda"--Janeway is presumed dead for much of the episode, at least in her mind
And something else I just remembered--I can't believe I didn't put this in my first post.
When Neelix was grousing to Seven about how he didn't want "Borg technology" inside his body, my wife turned to me and said:
"But isn't it really Species 149 technology? The Borg didn't invent it."
She was absolutely right. If I was Seven, I would have said, "Hey, go take it up with Species 149."
When Neelix was grousing to Seven about how he didn't want "Borg technology" inside his body, my wife turned to me and said:
"But isn't it really Species 149 technology? The Borg didn't invent it."
She was absolutely right. If I was Seven, I would have said, "Hey, go take it up with Species 149."
I loved this exchange:
NEELIX: I didn’t ask to be bought back!
SEVEN: You were dead at the time.
My parents may have done more than a few shameful things to me over the course of my life, but I’ve never yelled at them for bringing me into the world without consulting me on the decision.
NEELIX: I didn’t ask to be bought back!
SEVEN: You were dead at the time.
My parents may have done more than a few shameful things to me over the course of my life, but I’ve never yelled at them for bringing me into the world without consulting me on the decision.
You are getting sleepy...sleepy...on the count of three, you will start reading about...
"Waking Moments"
There's not that remarkable about this one. After the Kim/Seven encounter, I figured out that "it was all a dream" and that we might get that long-wished-for full Vulcan nudity shot. It was still kind of fun, though, and a few things stand out.
Jeri Ryan's delivery of "resistance is futile" convinced me of her gifts as a comic actress. That was great!
Am I the only one who finds it hysterical that, out of everyone on the crew, Chakotay is the expert on sleeping?
Everyone had interesting nightmares. I don't get what Janeway's was really about (except the corpses at Neelix's table)--her being stuck on an empty ship might have been more appropriate. Tuvok's was priceless, as was his pride in refusing to discuss it. If nothing else, this episode had some brilliant Tuvok moments.
The plot itself didn't do much for me. Neither did Chakotay as the Dream Warrior. Basically, it was pretty derivative of Nightmare on Elm Street. There were a few fun moments, though.
"Waking Moments"
There's not that remarkable about this one. After the Kim/Seven encounter, I figured out that "it was all a dream" and that we might get that long-wished-for full Vulcan nudity shot. It was still kind of fun, though, and a few things stand out.
Jeri Ryan's delivery of "resistance is futile" convinced me of her gifts as a comic actress. That was great!
Am I the only one who finds it hysterical that, out of everyone on the crew, Chakotay is the expert on sleeping?
Everyone had interesting nightmares. I don't get what Janeway's was really about (except the corpses at Neelix's table)--her being stuck on an empty ship might have been more appropriate. Tuvok's was priceless, as was his pride in refusing to discuss it. If nothing else, this episode had some brilliant Tuvok moments.
The plot itself didn't do much for me. Neither did Chakotay as the Dream Warrior. Basically, it was pretty derivative of Nightmare on Elm Street. There were a few fun moments, though.
Yeah, not deep, but really entertaining. If I'm doing a vid and I need clips of people doing crazy-looking stuff, this is the first ep I grab.
You're right, the nightmares were interesting, especially when you compare them:
Janeway's bad dream is about letting down her crew.
Tom's bad dream is about death.
Tuvok's bad dream is about humiliation.
Harry's bad dream is about being kissed by an attractive woman.
I'm just sayin', is all.
You're right, the nightmares were interesting, especially when you compare them:
Janeway's bad dream is about letting down her crew.
Tom's bad dream is about death.
Tuvok's bad dream is about humiliation.
Harry's bad dream is about being kissed by an attractive woman.
I'm just sayin', is all.
^^ Was that his bad dream, or hers? 
(Joke, Joke!!!!)
(Joke, Joke!!!!)
^ LOL
I adore Waking Moments! It's easily one of my favorites.
I'm like Chakotay in this ep. There's been several times where I've found myself stuck in a dream, and when I try to wake myself up, I wake up into another dream. It'll go on for a long time, too. It drives me nuts.
I think I must sympathize with his plight a little bit, especially near the end when he thinks he's awake, sees the moon in the viewscreen, and freaks out. I also enjoy the "slice of life" thing they did for the first 10 or so minutes of the episode.
And the part where dream!Janeway stares down a warp core breach, of course.
I adore Waking Moments! It's easily one of my favorites.
I'm like Chakotay in this ep. There's been several times where I've found myself stuck in a dream, and when I try to wake myself up, I wake up into another dream. It'll go on for a long time, too. It drives me nuts.
I think I must sympathize with his plight a little bit, especially near the end when he thinks he's awake, sees the moon in the viewscreen, and freaks out. I also enjoy the "slice of life" thing they did for the first 10 or so minutes of the episode.
And the part where dream!Janeway stares down a warp core breach, of course.
My daughter, son and I are watching Voyager and while I watched it during it's first run I've forgotten so much of it.
My daughter and son are pretty interested in the Borg, so we watched those episodes and my daughter latched on to 7 of 9 pretty quickly.
Can anyone remind me of a few good 7 of 9 episodes that are out there?
Thank you!
My daughter and son are pretty interested in the Borg, so we watched those episodes and my daughter latched on to 7 of 9 pretty quickly.
Can anyone remind me of a few good 7 of 9 episodes that are out there?
Thank you!
"Someone to Watch Over Me" and "Relativity" from season 5 are two of my favorite 7 of 9 episodes. "Unimatrix Zero" is a good one too. I also loved "Body and Soul" from season 7. It really shows off Jeri Ryan's acting chops as she assumes The Doctor's program and takes on his personality and mannerisms. A classic, in my mind.
Thank you! That's a good list for me to star with.
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