Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Of course...Yesteryear. Which is on my iPhone, but I haven't actually watched in quite a while. Oh well.

Sorry, I just re-read my post and realized I sounded like a huge dick. Plus, I guess TAS isn't really canon, sad as that is. But I am awful fond of "Yesteryear."

But, anyways, you can watch those on your iPhone? Because that's awesome.

Roddenberry said Yesteryear was canon. And plenty of Yesteryear is used in ST:XI.

 

[J.Ashmore]

I liked the actress who played Nos. I wasn't too thrilled about the "Hey, I can't tell you how I feel but let me show you how I feel." thing with the mind-meld. I thought it would be completely illogical for Tuvok to even do that because he's married and that's final, especially considering how personal a mind meld is (look at TNGs 'Sarek'). But maybe he did feel something for her way deep down inside and thought she deserved to know about it. I know I like to see a Vulcan do something other than reply with "That's illogical." all the time and show some semblence of emotion/compassion, even if it's completely not what Vulcans do.

 

[Shatnertage]

I just found out I won the lottery! Sure,I didn't buy a ticket, but who's got time for those details when you're packing for your new life on the other side of a wormhole? It's time for me to talk about...

"Bliss"

For some reason I intuited this would be a Seven episode, and I wasn't looking forward to it. But Jeri Ryan really pulled it off--she absolutely carried the episode, practically by herself.

We start with a previously-unknown forehead alien steering his ship into what kind of reminds me of a souped-up version of the Planet Killer.

Then we cut to Naomi Wildman having fun on a shuttlecraft with Paris and Seven. In what I read as a loving dig at TNG, Naomi gets to pilot the ship. And it doesn't look that hard.

So they've found a wormhole that'll drop them right into Earth orbit, and everyone's getting good news. It's funny to learn what everyone secretly wants: Janeway gets Mark back, Paris moves to Australia (and I think of Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor), Chakotay becomes a professor (now I'm thinking of Gilligan's Island), Torres sees the Maquis aren't dead, and Neelix becomes an ambassador to a bunch of quadrapeds.

I've got to say the crew has some pretty sedate fantasies.

Seven, the Doctor, and Naomi are the only ones who aren't buying it. The Doc gets shut off, so it's Seven and Naomi vs. the ship. I'm enjoying the episode so much that I don't even notice Naomi is clutching the Flotter doll until my wife tells me. Even then, it doesn't bug me so much.

Late in the episode, Qatai comes on board, and he's awesome. He sounds like an old Irish pirate. I checked him out on MA, and it turns out he's played by the same guy who played Ira Graves, also one of my favorite guest characters.

Great moment when the Doctor lampshades the homage to Moby Dick with Qatai. Everyone seems to be working so well with each other in this episode-it's great.

Awesome stuff as they have the non-Planet Killer puke them out, then Voyager is off for home, with Ahab Qatai heading back for more.

I really liked this episode.

 

[exodus]

^^Yes, it's one of my personal favorites as well.

One of my favorite scenes is Neelix telling Seven he's going to be an ambassidor back on Earth and she goes "Ambassidor?" and looks at him like he's lost his mind.

 

[T.D. Possum]

^ That is funny!

One of my favorite bits is when Seven is watching the Captain's Log and you can see Janeway getting drawn into to the illusion more with each entry. Also, I was highly amused by Seven casually obtaining access to said logs.

 

[exodus]

^ That is funny!

One of my favorite bits is when Seven is watching the Captain's Log and you can see Janeway getting drawn into to the illusion more with each entry. Also, I was highly amused by Seven casually obtaining access to said logs.

Yes, she just removes one chip from the panel and she's got access. I was on the floor with that one.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

What I remember about Bliss is that it's my major proof of why C/7 can't, couldn't, and never will be able to work.

 

[exodus]

What I remember about Bliss is that it's my major proof of why C/7 can't, couldn't, and never will be able to work.

Nothing against you & your post but OMG, I am sooooo sick of hearing about C/7 vs J/C, its not even funny.

 

[Shatnertage]

I loved how she got access to the captain's logs, too. Tuvok's got to beef up his IT security!

One funny note--I like how giving Seven an EMP shock through the control panel will "put her to sleep." I think if you tried this on someone today who has electro-mechanical augments--like a pacemaker--they would just die when the systems that are supporting them shut down.

 

[Markira]

Can someone school me on the Moby Dick reference? Is that why Qatai chose to stay instead of cut loose like Voyager? I actually have Moby Dick on my Kindle, just haven't gotten past page 1 before my 2 year old tries to grab the thing out of my hands.

 

[Shatnertage]

^ Captain Ahab is obsessed with hunting down and killing Moby Dick, who bit off his leg. The book is narrated by a man who asks to be called Ishmael. Qatai's nautical look and pirate talk contribute to the allusion, as does his motive of personal revenge.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What I remember about Bliss is that it's my major proof of why C/7 can't, couldn't, and never will be able to work.

Nothing against you & your post but OMG, I am sooooo sick of hearing about C/7 vs J/C, its not even funny.

Would you like to hear about my J/7 plans then?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Can someone school me on the Moby Dick reference? Is that why Qatai chose to stay instead of cut loose like Voyager? I actually have Moby Dick on my Kindle, just haven't gotten past page 1 before my 2 year old tries to grab the thing out of my hands.

It comes from this:

PICARD: 'And he piled upon the whale's white hump, a sum of all the rage and hate felt by his own race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it.'
LILY: What?
PICARD: 'Moby Dick.'
LILY: Actually, I never read it.

 

[Markira]

^^ Thanks, Shatnertage! Makes sense. I really liked Qatai. He was all crusty and crotchety and mad. LOL.

And teacake:

 

[T.D. Possum]

I was trying to persuade my best friend to read "Moby Dick" just last week. I didn't think to remind her that Captain Picard liked it. I do believe that once I mention that point, she'll be putting it on her Kindle, too.

Thanks for the idea, y'all.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Moby-Dick is a very funny book, something people don't always expect. I still crack up about him tattooing all the dimensions of whales onto his arm.

 

[Markira]

Moby-Dick is a very funny book, something people don't always expect. I still crack up about him tattooing all the dimensions of whales onto his arm.

No kidding? I've always thought it'd be a serious, allegorical book that I'd have to read 3 times before beginning to understand it, and that only when I've read all the sparknotes. Or maybe, it's not really LOL funny, but "huh, ain't it funny" funny.

...

 

[Shatnertage]

It's kind of tough to see in here...very dark. In fact, it's time for me to talk about...

"Dark Frontier"

For some reason, this DVD combines parts I and II into a single episode, even though they have different directors. Were they shown together like this during the original run? At the very least, I now know what a Voyager movie would have looked like.

The episode itself was kind of meh. I didn't get a whole lot out of the stuff with the Hansens and little Annika besides wanted to slap them for putting their daughter in harm's way. Most irresponsible parents of the 24th century? Maybe. Although it was cool to see them as the Borg-watching version of Jane Goodall.

The opening, with Janeway and the crew as Borg-hunters, was a little disquieting. They seem a bit vengeful and bloodthirsty suddenly. Coming on the heels of their refusing to kill Space Moby Dick, it's a bit of a shock. Did I miss something?

And I thought that Kes sent them beyond Borg space. Here it seems that they're back in the thick of it. Though with the transwarp stuff, the Borg can get pretty much anywhere, can't they?

The new Borg queen isn't that impressive--if the shot of her assembly wasn't taken directly from First Contact, it might have meant something. And why do they always wait until the last minute to put the Borg Queen together, anyway? Besides it's a fun way to impress your guests.

Some decent stuff with Seven trying to protect Janeway and Voyager, but on the whole this episode doesn't really come together for me. Though Naomi Wildman gets an honorable mention for a great scene with Janeway.

On a different note, how about when Janeway dresses down Torres for going through Seven's stuff? I half-expected Torres to say, "Hmmph. Back in season one, I was your project."

More good stuff: Tuvok gets to blow some stuff up, and Janeway carries a Really Big Gun.

Besides that, definitely not the high point of the season.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Sorry that you didn't like it. Dark Frontier is one of my favorites.

The reason why it is shown as the same episode is because it was shown as a single episode when it aired.

 

[T.D. Possum]

I didn't get a whole lot out of the stuff with the Hansens and little Annika besides wanted to slap them for putting their daughter in harm's way. Most irresponsible parents of the 24th century?

Definitely. I never watched those scenes again after I got the gist of them. They make me too angry.

The opening, with Janeway and the crew as Borg-hunters, was a little disquieting. They seem a bit vengeful and bloodthirsty suddenly. Coming on the heels of their refusing to kill Space Moby Dick, it's a bit of a shock. Did I miss something?

It's just one of those random sudden personality changes the writers decided to give them all. Best not to over-analyze it.

And why do they always wait until the last minute to put the Borg Queen together, anyway?