I just realized how far off-topic we're taking this... sorry, Shatnertage!
Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread
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Please, Stargate Universe was Voyager. Just not in Trek universe.
Yeah, sorry Shatnertage
In a lot of ways, yes, but with an uncannily worse cast.
(Hey, we're back to Voyager, at least, so we should be fine gabbing it up! 
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Beltran was a block of wood most of the time and Wang was both out of his element and not given much to work with. Actually, that's obviously a problem for both of them.
I never had issue with Lien, but I haven't watched many Kes-oriented episodes in over a decade or more. In my viewing of "Caretaker" the other night (watching all five Trek pilots, for comparison's sake; might make a topic on that, actually) she seemed no worse off than anyone else just coming into their roles, but she was introduced last and really didn't have much to do so it wasn't that great an indicator.
)Beltran was a block of wood most of the time and Wang was both out of his element and not given much to work with. Actually, that's obviously a problem for both of them.
I never had issue with Lien, but I haven't watched many Kes-oriented episodes in over a decade or more. In my viewing of "Caretaker" the other night (watching all five Trek pilots, for comparison's sake; might make a topic on that, actually) she seemed no worse off than anyone else just coming into their roles, but she was introduced last and really didn't have much to do so it wasn't that great an indicator.
She got better. After they dumped the whole Kes/Neelix thing. 
But in the beginning I found he very slow and boring. So I guess she was mediocre.
My ranks:
Bad: Wang, Beltran
Mediocre: Lien, Dawson, McNeill
Great: Mulgrew, Picardo, Ryan(shudder), Phillips, Russ
But in the beginning I found he very slow and boring. So I guess she was mediocre. My ranks:
Bad: Wang, Beltran
Mediocre: Lien, Dawson, McNeill
Great: Mulgrew, Picardo, Ryan(shudder), Phillips, Russ
I'd agree with that listing piece-for-piece. I'd definitely agree with the greats.
Thank you. Glad you agree.
The last three episodes in this thread have definitely showcased Mulgrew and Picardo's talents in spades. Namely BoC and Latent Image
Now we're back on topic-ish
The last three episodes in this thread have definitely showcased Mulgrew and Picardo's talents in spades. Namely BoC and Latent Image
Now we're back on topic-ish
And now we're back with an episode that is firmly in the middle of the pack...
"Gravity"
We start with a very moody Vulcan youth mouthing off to his camp counselor. In a cave. And now I will digress.
For all the talk of how logical and intellectually advanced Vulcans are, their planet looks, sorry to say, like a total dump. They seem to always be hanging out in caves and mountains, and I believe it wasn't until ENT that we got to see a Vulcan city. So if I was human and had a Vulcan mouthing off to me about how savage humans were, I'd respond with something like, "Well, at least we've learned how to unwind at the beach." Then again, maybe there's a thriving Vulcan leisure industry that we just don't see onscreen. It's just such a disconnect that we here about how scientifically advanced they are, and most of their time they hang out in standard stone age Trek caves.
And by the way, the disaffected youth is our very own Tuvok.
So Tuvok and Paris are stuck on a desert in subspace in a different time...band. That's a tertiary stranding, and has to be close to a Trek record. And it's a sign of how the show's progressed. Back in "The Enemy Within," Sulu and his buddies were just stuck in a blizzard. See how far we've come?
And the alien woman they find starts to develop feelings for Tuvok...feelings that may be reciprocated.
Paris is unusually quick to give Tuvok the 24th century version of the time zone rule..."Hey, your wife is 50,000 light years away in another layer of space...go for it."
If I was Tuvok, I'd give Torres a heads-up as soon as I got back. I know that my wife gave me a look that said that if I ever found myself 50,000 light years away in a different layer of space, no, it wouldn't be cool with her if I hooked up with an annoying alien chick.
There are also these kind of cool looking humanoid aliens who immediately become Tuvok and Paris's enemies. I'm a little surprised that Tuvok didn't attempt to communicate with them. It would seem the logical course of action, since instead of expending energy fighting each other, they could work together to get rescued. There's no reason that they should be intrinsically less amenable to working together than Nos...unless if you accept that, because they look less human than Nos, they are inherently evil.
In the end, they are able to fend off the baddies, and Voyager gets them back. Before they drop Nos off at her stop, she shares a mind meld with Tuvok where he shares his feelings. And it's very strange to me that it's not OK for him to say, "You know, you've got a lot going for you, and if I wasn't already a happily married man I might see us together, but this just isn't going to happen," but he's allowed to give her access to his innermost thoughts. That seems far more intimate than a polite "It's not you, it's me."
I would have loved it if, as a nice in-joke, the unreasonable aliens said they had to close the sinkhole to build a hyperspace bypass.
In the end it's a Tuvok episode, which means it's inherently not that bad, but this one is definitely in the middle of the pack for me.
"Gravity"
We start with a very moody Vulcan youth mouthing off to his camp counselor. In a cave. And now I will digress.
For all the talk of how logical and intellectually advanced Vulcans are, their planet looks, sorry to say, like a total dump. They seem to always be hanging out in caves and mountains, and I believe it wasn't until ENT that we got to see a Vulcan city. So if I was human and had a Vulcan mouthing off to me about how savage humans were, I'd respond with something like, "Well, at least we've learned how to unwind at the beach." Then again, maybe there's a thriving Vulcan leisure industry that we just don't see onscreen. It's just such a disconnect that we here about how scientifically advanced they are, and most of their time they hang out in standard stone age Trek caves.
And by the way, the disaffected youth is our very own Tuvok.
So Tuvok and Paris are stuck on a desert in subspace in a different time...band. That's a tertiary stranding, and has to be close to a Trek record. And it's a sign of how the show's progressed. Back in "The Enemy Within," Sulu and his buddies were just stuck in a blizzard. See how far we've come?
And the alien woman they find starts to develop feelings for Tuvok...feelings that may be reciprocated.
Paris is unusually quick to give Tuvok the 24th century version of the time zone rule..."Hey, your wife is 50,000 light years away in another layer of space...go for it."
If I was Tuvok, I'd give Torres a heads-up as soon as I got back. I know that my wife gave me a look that said that if I ever found myself 50,000 light years away in a different layer of space, no, it wouldn't be cool with her if I hooked up with an annoying alien chick.
There are also these kind of cool looking humanoid aliens who immediately become Tuvok and Paris's enemies. I'm a little surprised that Tuvok didn't attempt to communicate with them. It would seem the logical course of action, since instead of expending energy fighting each other, they could work together to get rescued. There's no reason that they should be intrinsically less amenable to working together than Nos...unless if you accept that, because they look less human than Nos, they are inherently evil.
In the end, they are able to fend off the baddies, and Voyager gets them back. Before they drop Nos off at her stop, she shares a mind meld with Tuvok where he shares his feelings. And it's very strange to me that it's not OK for him to say, "You know, you've got a lot going for you, and if I wasn't already a happily married man I might see us together, but this just isn't going to happen," but he's allowed to give her access to his innermost thoughts. That seems far more intimate than a polite "It's not you, it's me."
I would have loved it if, as a nice in-joke, the unreasonable aliens said they had to close the sinkhole to build a hyperspace bypass.
In the end it's a Tuvok episode, which means it's inherently not that bad, but this one is definitely in the middle of the pack for me.
I hated this ep.
Lorry Petty's voice was like nails on a chalkboard for me and she sucks as an actress.
I'm not sure if I should laugh or be insulted that Tuvok, the first Black Vulcan we've ever seen, grew up with a ghetto angry Black man attitude. Were Black Vulcan's a former oppressed people too? Did Tuvok's mama have to ride in the back of the bus? I was actually waiting for Radio Haheem to show up blasting "Fight the Power" by Public Enemy and for Tuovk to start quoting Malcolm X.
Lorry Petty's voice was like nails on a chalkboard for me and she sucks as an actress.
I'm not sure if I should laugh or be insulted that Tuvok, the first Black Vulcan we've ever seen, grew up with a ghetto angry Black man attitude. Were Black Vulcan's a former oppressed people too? Did Tuvok's mama have to ride in the back of the bus? I was actually waiting for Radio Haheem to show up blasting "Fight the Power" by Public Enemy and for Tuovk to start quoting Malcolm X.
The dressing gown would actually be a wardrobe upgrade.
I think I'd pay good money to see Tim Russ as Malcolm X, come to think.
AHEM, Mr. TAS avatar.
We saw them much earlier than ENT.Vulcan is very desert-y, but it is also shown as having very futuristic houses and cities. It seems like they build with respect for their past and in harmony with the landscape. Their very nice houses can be seen in a certain TAS episode, in fact...
EDIT: Okay, so they drew a moon in the background by accident. But I figure it was still a good look at Vulcan.
Of course...Yesteryear. Which is on my iPhone, but I haven't actually watched in quite a while. Oh well.
Sorry, I just re-read my post and realized I sounded like a huge dick.
Plus, I guess TAS isn't really canon, sad as that is. 
But I am awful fond of "Yesteryear."But, anyways, you can watch those on your iPhone? Because that's awesome.
Yes--it's amazing what you can do on a phone these days. We've got a lot of toddler shows on our phones as the "nuclear option" when our little one is getting antsy in a restaurant. And a few TAS episodes for when I start getting antsy.
Vulcans are always doing important things in caves. It's kind of weird.. I mean we aren't 1/100th as technologically advanced as Vulcan and yet we NEVER do important things in caves.
I liked Gravity.
"More spider?"
