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AFAIK, she only took the test at that time because she was a 'blue-shirt' - i.e. an officer not normally in, or near, the command track. Crusher also had to take that test, because she was a doctor. It seems that any officer in the 'command' or 'operations' divisions would not have to take the test, but a scientific/medical officer would.
And I admit I forgot about McCoy's line (regarding when Kirk took the Kobayashi Maru test). My bad.
ancient said:
I couldn't remember if McCoy said 'cadet' or 'person'. If he did say cadet, it just goes to show...Trek ain't real! The illusion is shattered!
MCCOY: "Lieutenant, you are looking at the only Starfleet cadet who ever beat the no-win scenario."
North Pole-aris said:
ancient said:
I couldn't remember if McCoy said 'cadet' or 'person'. If he did say cadet, it just goes to show...Trek ain't real! The illusion is shattered!
MCCOY: "Lieutenant, you are looking at the only Starfleet cadet who ever beat the no-win scenario."
Well, maybe he ment 'graduate'.
But if Abrams decides to make him a cadet or lt, or whatever, I'm sure it'll hinge on the plot and not McCoy's line.
The test is in this movie, right?
You're partially correct here.
The thing is, no one, just graduating from a service academy, has been "tagged" for a Command Track. Just doesn't happen. You need real-life experience, and OBSERVATION of you operating in real life, in order to justify the you (above all your peers) being chosen for a "command path."
Only the "best of the best" would be chosen for that path (Troi notwithstanding). People who had already demonstrated not only the ability to do their job, but to lead others. The ability not to freeze up under pressure. All of that. And it would take real-life experiences, and comments as to your abilities in those areas by your commanding officer, to justify getting put onto that "command path."
Very likely, Kirk would have been elevated to a command-path based upon recommendations of his prior commanding officers. He wouldn't have been given a "command path" assignment based upon his purely academic performance at the Academy as a cadet. Not unless you're assuming favoritism and nepotism and all that trumps real-world performance in the "Starfleet" world. You might have performed well as a cadet, but you'd need real-life experience to justify leapfrogging over every other officer at the same point in their career as you are in yours... especially if you're going to end up being the youngest officer ever given command of a major ship-of-the-line.
Starfleet was based upon the US Navy because that was an easy reference to use. Most of the people making TOS had served in the military themselves, and a large number of them (as well as a significant portion of the audience) had served in the Navy, with even more having served in other branches of the armed forces but still "getting" how the Navy, and the military in general, works.
Shame that so few people today understand any of this. (sigh)
They also borrowed from literary works... particularly the Hornblower stuff... which is why you have ranks like "Commodore" used in TOS.
The reason that they used this was because it was a ready-made template, right there for them to use. No need to reinvent the wheel, right? It's there, it's available, it's free and "open source" so to speak, and the audience is familiar with it. THAT is why Starfleet is like the Navy.
Oh, btw... this took me three minutes to type.
As well as the fact that "Forbidden Planet" and hundreds of the pulp science fiction stories that Roddenberry mined for "Star Trek" had been putting their spaceship crews in the Navy for generations.
Yep, absolutely true. And, largely, for the same reasons, I think.
We COULD invent a whole new organizational and rank structure... and spend half the time trying to figure out how to make it work. But... why?
Cary L. Brown said:
We COULD invent a whole new organizational and rank structure... and spend half the time trying to figure out how to make it work. But... why?
Ask anyone in the RAF.
Has it occurred to anyone that the real universe as we know it will not unravel in the event that some obscure continuity detail of Trek's fictional universe winds up being contradicted by the new film in a way that cannot be exhaustively reconciled or rationalized? 'Scuse me while I go fret over something slightly more important in the grander scheme of things, like this pesky hangnail...
But then we wouldn't have anything to complain about or blame on JJ Abrams.
Sharr
Both the terms "midshipman" AND "cadet" are used in various incarnations of Star Trek. In TOS it is "midshipman" -- "cadet" is never heard.
Given the various etymologies of these words, and the history of their usage, I think it is arguable that if there is a distinction, then the cadet is the Academy student that is not yet an officer, and the midshipman is a graduate either awaiting his first posting, or on his first posting.
The term "midshipman" is used in two episodes -- "Ultimate Computer" and "Court Martial". In both cases it is unclear whether Kirk is in his initial Academy schooling, or in command training, or something in-between. But in the US Navy a midshipman by tradition is an officer. Before the academy existed he was a serving officer, and even now as a student, is technically a commissioned officer.
"Cadet", however, was the term used at one time to distinguish serving midshipmen from students -- the students were "midshipman cadets" IIRC.
Given the various etymologies of these words, and the history of their usage, I think it is arguable that if there is a distinction, then the cadet is the Academy student that is not yet an officer, and the midshipman is a graduate either awaiting his first posting, or on his first posting.
The term "midshipman" is used in two episodes -- "Ultimate Computer" and "Court Martial". In both cases it is unclear whether Kirk is in his initial Academy schooling, or in command training, or something in-between. But in the US Navy a midshipman by tradition is an officer. Before the academy existed he was a serving officer, and even now as a student, is technically a commissioned officer.
"Cadet", however, was the term used at one time to distinguish serving midshipmen from students -- the students were "midshipman cadets" IIRC.
i have a question:
has anyone considered that this might be nothing more than a ruse?
i mean, yes it might be an actual uniform...but it is equally possible that its a hoax to whet our appetites and lead us down the wrong path.
has anyone considered that this might be nothing more than a ruse?
i mean, yes it might be an actual uniform...but it is equally possible that its a hoax to whet our appetites and lead us down the wrong path.
Interesting. IIRC, doesn't Peter Preston introduce himself to Kirk as "Midshipman" in TWOK? ("Midshipman Peter Preston, Engineer's Mate, sir!") And when he's killed, Scotty's line is: "He stayed at his post when the trainees ran." That would seem to imply that he's not just any other cadet, and yet other than that, he seems to be no different from any other cadet in the group.
I saw the pic...it looks alright, can understand about the dislike of the hat...don't see a communicator. If its supposed to be a comm badge it doesn't look like a comm badge to me but rather the Starfleet logo which is unusual since at that time the Enterprise logo wasn't incorperated until after the Enterprise's first five year mission ended I think.
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6th day of XMe$$ said:
That's assuming he has one.
And this sort of post is not helping one little bit.
Please knock it off.
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The cadet could be posted to the Enterprise. :thumbsup:
It has been brought up, but no one has advanced any evidence to support the reasoning.
No. It's possible, but nowhere near equally probable.
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