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Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador kit!

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Well, gang, the latest revision is now up. That forward torpedo housing is just not cooperating with me and is not yet where I want it,... closer to the painting. Very frustrating because I know that if I was physically building it, I would have a much easier time of it.

Anyway, now I have to put this project on hold for a while in order to start a painting I've been asked to produce for the 2009 Ships of the Line calendar. When that's finished, I'll be back on this puppy... probably early February.

Now, while there is a mini- 5-view shot in the posting, a large one you've been asking about will definitely be available when everything on this ship is finished. Meanwhile, I'll be cruising through this neighborhood, every so often, to see if there are any questions I might be able to answer.

And finally, thanks for your input and support on this project. :thumbsup:

Andrew-
 
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^Oh, new painting? May I ask what era? (BTW, I love this version of the Ambassador class... it's got class!)
 
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Probert said:
Well, gang, the latest revision is now up. That forward torpedo housing is just not cooperating with me and is not yet where I want it,... closer to the painting. Very frustrating because I know that if I was physically building it, I would have a much easier time of it.
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Thanks for sharing your updates! I've been stashing each image, and I'll update my web site's "Ambassador page" within the next week, so that people can follow the progress of this design.

That's a fine-looking ship.
 
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Mr. Probert, I have just one question out of curiosity: does your ship design have emergency saucer separation capability like the TMP Enterprise? The placement of the aft torpedo launcher raises serious questions on this aspect of your design.

By that, I mean the magazine area being in close proximity to the connection gear sounds a bit odd.
 
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^ You know, Hammy, it wouldn't hurt to actually read the thread before asking questions. :rolleyes:

Hammer said:
Mr. Probert, I have just one question out of curiosity: does your ship design have emergency saucer separation capability like the TMP Enterprise?
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Yes it does.

The placement of the aft torpedo launcher raises serious questions on this aspect of your design.
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Clicky.

TGT
 
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While surfing around the excellent Forgotten Trek site I came across this picture. A smaller version is on every update we get from Mr. Probert. On the Forgotten Trek site, while identified as a Probert painting, it is incorrectly called an early Enterprise-D concept.

We know better.

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Ah, so the nacelles are held in place by rylons made of transparent aluminum? Cool! ;)

Mark
 
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Hi, i'm new here, is the modified excelsior(ent B) from generations being taken into account with this design? Apparently when andrew came up with the sketch the assumption was the enterprise b was just a regular excelsior hull. Any ideas? BTW love the design
 
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steven87gill said:
Hi, i'm new here, is the modified excelsior(ent B) from generations being taken into account with this design? Apparently when andrew came up with the sketch the assumption was the enterprise b was just a regular excelsior hull. Any ideas? BTW love the design
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My understanding is that the Ambassador is being designed as if it were being "finished" in 1987 -- which implies that the Enterprise-Bungled :p will not influence the design of this ship.
 
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Bump

Well, it's midway thru February...any updates in the works?

Dave
 
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I just discovered this thread after reading about it in an article on the Enterprise-C at TrekPlace.

http://www.trekplace.com/l1d_probertambassador.html

I'd like to offer an alternate theory about what happened with the "two versions" of the Enterprise-C. It always seemed to me that the "Probert" version was more streamlined, indeed, looked more advanced than Rachel Garrett's command. Garrett's ship looked more like the Excelsior, and the "Probert"/wall relief version looked more like a comtemporary cousin on the Galaxy-class.

Since subsequent episodes indicate that Tasha Yar survived her trip through time, perhaps the ship did as well. I don't see anything wrong with the Enterprise-C being salvaged, refit and restored to service after Nirendra III as a ship of the same subclass as the "Probert" design, to be retired 20 years later and replaced by the Big D.
 
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^ Except that the Enterprise-C was lost at Narendra III. The only ones who recovered her was the Romulans (and therein lies a lovely tale I had planned for Pocket Books' Strange New Worlds contest, if only they hadn't pulled the plug on it).
 
Worked fine for me today...

I still have some reservations about the shape of the secondary hull from the purely aesthetical point of view, but it's a nice intermediate step from Excelsior to Galaxy to be sure.

As for Greg's ideas for slipping this ship into the greater Trek continuity, I say this could easily be the one and only Ambassador class out there. The Enterprise-C, the Zhukov and the Excalibur could well have been Apollo class starships for all we canonically know - that is, unless we zoom in on the dedication plaque or Okudagrams of the E-C, which we cannot actually do in the canon material.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The Ambassador and Apollo could be related classes, sort of like how we've seen dozens if not hundreds of designs for variations of the basic TOS/TMP Enterprise.

The Ambassador is the original design, and for whatever reason they tweaked the design during production to the point where the USS Apollo could rightly be called it's own class. All ships built after that point were Apollo class.

*shrug*

Works for me. Think I'll incorporate that into my personal canon.


Edit: After discussing with the rest of my group, we've come up with the idea that what we're seeing is a combat version and an exploration version of the same ship. The Ambassador is the exploration/first contact version while the Apollo would be the heavy-cruiser/patrol/interdiction version. As things settled down with the Cardassians and Klingons both versions were gradually refitted to middle-of-the-road specs with the more heavily-used ones being decomissioned and turned into space-stations and outposts.

Given the heavy use this class saw in the early Cardassian conflicts there just weren't that many of them left by TNG times.
 
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My own personal canon sees this as one of two things:

1) One way the Ambassador class could have looked, much like how Sternbach gave us four potential Nova class starships. We simply got something different in the end, and the design itself doesn't exist as a "real" starship anywhere but the design tank at some design group's lab.

2) This is a radical upgrade to the existing Ambassador class starships, much like how the Constitution got a makeover in TMP. After thirty or more years of service, Starfleet hauled at least some of the remaining ships of the class in for all sorts of fun updates. The result is what we see here.

Mark
 
Hi, it's been a while since anyone posted here so i thought i'd kick a bit of life into this thread!! I remember seeing a amazing potential design ages ago for the Ambassador class bridge by someone called seanr, i was looking for it for ages and i just recently found the images for it, and i've gotta say, i forgot how .gorgeous.:drool: it actually was, shame that's not gonna be in here, since they go together quite well. I'm sure the idea for seanr's bridge was to have the conference room sunk below infront of the bridge, to emphasise that this is a less advanced so more economically spaced ship than the E-D. I though that was quite clever. But anyways, this is a great design, and hopefully andy probert will be able to get back to it at some point.
 
The Enterprise-C bridge as seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was very obviously a "set of the week," something not up to par for a "hero ship."

Although the episode doesn't suggest this in any way, I like to think of the YE set as an auxiliary control center or battle bridge, with the ship having a much more "hero-worthy" main bridge.

Back on topic, I'm very interested in the continued evolution of Probert's exterior design for this ship. The secondary hull and nacelle struts are the big remaining mysteries of this design.
 
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