Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador kit!
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I put that image together some time back. It's correct, in as much as both ships are supposed to be of roughly the same length. (The theoretical length of Probert's ship is 1,720 feet, and the theoretical length of Sternbach's ship is 526 meters.) As for the two ships' relative proportions... well, they're apples and oranges, I suppose.
aridas sofia said:
Something has been bothering me. I saw this size comparison somewhere --
Looking at the depth of the two saucers, and of the nacelles, it looks that it should be more like this:
Or perhaps Sternbach's version would be even shorter. Am I right, or would these two versions of this ship really be about the same size?
I put that image together some time back. It's correct, in as much as both ships are supposed to be of roughly the same length. (The theoretical length of Probert's ship is 1,720 feet, and the theoretical length of Sternbach's ship is 526 meters.) As for the two ships' relative proportions... well, they're apples and oranges, I suppose.
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Based on what Andrew has created, perhaps one or the other should be re-sized to bring them into the proper relative proportion.
Based on what Andrew has created, perhaps one or the other should be re-sized to bring them into the proper relative proportion.
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I'm wondering about things like the thickness of the saucer edges. If they are supposed to both represent say, two decks thickness, they will be very different lengths. The two bridges are also an obvious comparison point since IIRC Probert is employing the filmed bridge as the basis for his Ambassador bridge. But even in the image I altered, Sternbach's bridge looks larger.
I'm wondering about things like the thickness of the saucer edges. If they are supposed to both represent say, two decks thickness, they will be very different lengths. The two bridges are also an obvious comparison point since IIRC Probert is employing the filmed bridge as the basis for his Ambassador bridge. But even in the image I altered, Sternbach's bridge looks larger.
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I suspect that Probert and Sternbach use different theoretical deck heights. We should also keep in mind that, Ten Forward notwithstanding, the Galaxy-class starship's saucer rim was intended to be only one deck high. Maybe Probert's Ambassador's saucer rim is also one deck high.
I suspect that Probert and Sternbach use different theoretical deck heights. We should also keep in mind that, Ten Forward notwithstanding, the Galaxy-class starship's saucer rim was intended to be only one deck high. Maybe Probert's Ambassador's saucer rim is also one deck high.
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Good point.
Good point.
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Haven't chimed in on this topic yet, but I thought I finally would.
I have to say that I don't like how the dorsal secondary hull is so wide so near its front. Its widest point seems to be well forward of the deepest point of the ventral secondary hull. It makes the ship look a bit "wide-shouldered" rather than fast. I think the hull might look better if its widest point were moved more towards the tail, at least to the deepest part of the ventral hull and maybe even as far back as the root of the nacelle pylons.
Haven't chimed in on this topic yet, but I thought I finally would.
I have to say that I don't like how the dorsal secondary hull is so wide so near its front. Its widest point seems to be well forward of the deepest point of the ventral secondary hull. It makes the ship look a bit "wide-shouldered" rather than fast. I think the hull might look better if its widest point were moved more towards the tail, at least to the deepest part of the ventral hull and maybe even as far back as the root of the nacelle pylons.
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Andrew-
Think of the shape of a bullet... or simply remember the ship design which precedes this one.
Right now you're only seeing the top half. Imagine a curved line coming off that leading edge, connecting to the base line of the (place-holder) pylons and you'll see where I'll be going with the lower half of that secondary hull.
Andrew-
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Updated! Mr. Probert, it appears to me that a segment of the secondary hull just forward of the docking collar is on the receiving end of a very painful pinch. If I may ask, is that an intentional design element or simply a flaw in the mesh?
TGT
Updated! Mr. Probert, it appears to me that a segment of the secondary hull just forward of the docking collar is on the receiving end of a very painful pinch. If I may ask, is that an intentional design element or simply a flaw in the mesh?
TGT
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Andrew-
Just part of the process (or at least my process). If you look at the painting you can see that section ramps up over the torpedo bay. I'm just trying to get it to do that.The God Thing said:
It appears to me that the secondary hull forward of the docking collar is on the receiving end of a very painful pinch. If I may ask, is that an intentional design element or simply a flaw in the mesh?
TGT
Andrew-
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Do you intend on the vertical impulse drive to be only used during stardrive operation? Also, are you going to have an observation/control room viewports for the secondary hull's shuttlebay?
Dave
I'm already thinking of color schemes for when I get my hands on a model of this...
Do you intend on the vertical impulse drive to be only used during stardrive operation? Also, are you going to have an observation/control room viewports for the secondary hull's shuttlebay?
Dave
I'm already thinking of color schemes for when I get my hands on a model of this...
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Opinions?
Andrew-
The vertical impulse emitter is the ship's main impulse engine like the one (in it's place) was (or will be, in historical context) on the Galaxy. If you're asking if it is to be used in concert with the warp engines,.... that's a whole different issue.
I haven't decided yet,... it's a pretty tight fit in there. I don't think Excelsior had them and Galaxy is void of control room windows, so based strictly on liniage, Ambassador shouldn't either.
Opinions?
Andrew-
GodThingFormerly
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I would personally very much like to see as many visual echoes of your NCC-1701 Refit as good taste and design integrity will permit, so that is a "HELL YEAH!" on the opium den-er, shuttlebay control room. Could you also perhaps sneak a little arboretum somewhere in the secondary hull too?
TGT
I would personally very much like to see as many visual echoes of your NCC-1701 Refit as good taste and design integrity will permit, so that is a "HELL YEAH!" on the opium den-er, shuttlebay control room. Could you also perhaps sneak a little arboretum somewhere in the secondary hull too?
TGT
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I agree with the esteemed TGT. Although the broad brush strokes of the Ambassador represent an obvious design lineage from Excelsior to Galaxy, it would be uber-cool if the finer brush strokes incorporated as many cues from the TMP ship and TNG ship (leaning more toward the TMP ship, since we've seen many more 24th-century designs than 23rd-century designs) as are appropriate.
The God Thing said:
I would very much like to see as many visual echoes of your NCC-1701 Refit as good taste and design integrity will permit, so that is a "HELL YEAH!" on the opium den-er, shuttlebay control room. Could you also perhaps sneak a little arboretum somewhere in the secondary hull too?
TGT
I agree with the esteemed TGT. Although the broad brush strokes of the Ambassador represent an obvious design lineage from Excelsior to Galaxy, it would be uber-cool if the finer brush strokes incorporated as many cues from the TMP ship and TNG ship (leaning more toward the TMP ship, since we've seen many more 24th-century designs than 23rd-century designs) as are appropriate.
Re: Andy Probert releases prelim plans for USS Ambassador ki
Take another look at the painting and you'll see a row of black windows,... already in place.
Andrew-
The God Thing said:
Could you perhaps sneak a little arboretum somewhere in the secondary hull too?
TGT
Take another look at the painting and you'll see a row of black windows,... already in place.
Andrew-
GodThingFormerly
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Thank you, FTP. "Angelique" and her pony should be at your door within the hour as per our agreement.
D'oh!
I really need to spend more time examining that artwork before mouthing off. 
TGT
Thank you, FTP. "Angelique" and her pony should be at your door within the hour as per our agreement.
D'oh!
I really need to spend more time examining that artwork before mouthing off. TGT
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Well, I suppose that's better than Clerks II's Kinky Kelly and the Sexy Stud. Or not.
The God Thing said:
Thank you, FTP. "Angelique" and her pony should be at your door within the hour as per our agreement.
Well, I suppose that's better than Clerks II's Kinky Kelly and the Sexy Stud. Or not.
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While I appreciate Sternbach's time-compressed work on the Ambassador (in spite of the absolute lack of torp launchers
), I would like to solicit his opinion on my "compromise" proposal for a remastered TNG and DS9:
His model can stay for "Yesterday's Enterprise" (of course, new CGI would be needed for the golden board in the conference room to fit with continuity, both for the B and the C), but Probert's model should be applied to the Excalibur, Yamaguchi, and perhaps a few more ships here and there in both TNG and DS9 (too many Excelsiors, anyway), plus the big battle in ST:FC.
While I appreciate Sternbach's time-compressed work on the Ambassador (in spite of the absolute lack of torp launchers
), I would like to solicit his opinion on my "compromise" proposal for a remastered TNG and DS9:His model can stay for "Yesterday's Enterprise" (of course, new CGI would be needed for the golden board in the conference room to fit with continuity, both for the B and the C), but Probert's model should be applied to the Excalibur, Yamaguchi, and perhaps a few more ships here and there in both TNG and DS9 (too many Excelsiors, anyway), plus the big battle in ST:FC.
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