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Androids in TOS

The androids in “I, Mudd” were also alien built, but they didn’t appear quite as advanced as the Corby androids although they did say they could transfer a human “mind” into an android body. Is it possible that the androids from both episodes were actually originally from the same extinct race?

Seems the older I get, the more often I misremember what I thought I observed in a given episode, but I honestly thought the "Alice" android said they could transfer a human brain into one of their frames, noting it would likely last 500,000 years, almost prompting Uhura to let her jaw drop to the floor. This would have made the comm' officer a full conversion cyborg, more akin to Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost in the Shell" or Alita/Gally from "Battle Angel Alita/Gunnm" (Gun Dream).
 
The androids in the first of the above episodes are extremely advanced, physically indistinguishable from the species they're modeled on, sentient and capable of emotion. They rebelled against their creators in a war of almost total annihilation that wiped out the civilization.

I'd argue about their "capability of emotion", emotion is what caused Ruk, Corby and Andrea to melt down.
 
Seems the older I get, the more often I misremember what I thought I observed in a given episode, but I honestly thought the "Alice" android said they could transfer a human brain into one of their frames, noting it would likely last 500,000 years, almost prompting Uhura to let her jaw drop to the floor. This would have made the comm' officer a full conversion cyborg, more akin to Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost in the Shell" or Alita/Gally from "Battle Angel Alita/Gunnm" (Gun Dream).

Your memory is correct Redfern:

UHURA: How long does a body like that last?
ALICE 19: None of our android bodies has ever worn out. However, the estimated duration of this model is five hundred thousand years.
UHURA: Five hundred thousand years?
ALICE 263: Our medi-robots are able to place a human brain within a structurally compatible android body.
MUDD: Immortality and eternal beauty.

And later:

UHURA: No, they're lying. It's a trick. Doctor McCoy injected something into Harry Mudd to make him look sick. It's a trick to get back on board and sabotage the ship.
ALICE 1: Your request is refused.
KIRK: Uhura, why did you tell her?
UHURA: Because I want an android body. I want immortality. I'll live forever, Captain. I'll be young and beautiful.
ALICE 1: You have been of assistance. We shall fulfill our obligation.
UHURA: Thank you.
ALICE 1: The programming for your body will be completed before we leave.
(Alice leaves)
KIRK: Uhura. Beautiful!
UHURA: I half believed it myself.
SCOTT; Well, the androids were expecting an attempt, and now we've made it.

So once again the androids conform that they can put a living brain in an android body.

So Alice 19 and Alice 1 certainly said - truthfully or otherwise - that they had that ability.
 
This is a pretty good Trek book that deals with pretty much all the 'bots in TOS and TNG:

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I don't generally like "small universe" stories but this story is fun enough that it didn't bother me.
 
They might be able to put a living brain into and android body, but it would be a trick to get a living organic brain to last five hundred thousand years.
 
On the other hand, positronics are used as brain prosthetics in DS9 "Life Support". We don't know exactly what would be replaced by positronics, and the heroes don't agree on whether poor Vedek Bareil would actually still be there after even a successful procedure, but Norman's folks might have gotten that part down pat: the organic brain might be gradually "fossilized" into a machine one, still formally satisfying the pitch that sold the concept to Uhura.

Ruk's masters seemed to have quite a range of products: Ruk had strength and thinking power, but the spinning table could also make frailer things that benefited from mind or at least memory transfer. We never quite learn whether Ruk would have been "lifelike", that is, if he could ever have passed for one of 'em Ancients; we also don't know if he was a product of the spin machine or not. The range seen, produced by an inept illegal user no less, suggests the sky would not have been the limit. Which is nice: make the androids technology-agnostic, and you still get the classic slaves-overthrow-and-kill-masters plotline, suggesting it's inevitable whenever one species creates another. At least in the Trek universe, and at least when the created species is initially made to serve, or perceives itself as having been made so. OTOH, make the range of created life wide enough, and you can steer away from a simplistic Freudian-patricidal model...

Timo Saloniemi
 
They might be able to put a living brain into and android body, but it would be a trick to get a living organic brain to last five hundred thousand years.

It wouldn't, but it would be replaced a piece at a time at the cellular level (likely by nano technology) and the person would never notice.
 
It wouldn't, but it would be replaced a piece at a time at the cellular level (likely by nano technology) and the person would never notice.
From my perspective thats sleight-of-hand. It comes back to what I had originally thought that it’s really the mind that is transferred over only over a prtracted period of time.
 
The exact opposite is also a possibility, though. Ruk could be a slave made distinct from Real People for practical and symbolic reasons. Ruk's face does appear awfully, well, angular, perhaps unnaturally so - due to what ITRW is obvious shadow makeup, but what in-universe could be shadow makeup as well, applied for the same reason Data has white skin and yellow eyes.

Although I'd actually go one step further. Exo III has these caverns that supposedly were suited for the Old Ones - and they have these Forbidden Planet style doors, optimized for people with very thick hips! Possibly the Old Ones were humanoid. But probably not shaped so that one might mistake one for a human even in the dark.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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