Of course it's a reboot. Why the hell would they make another "Star Trek" movie unless they were going to start over? There are - incredibly - even easier ways to lose money than investing it in movies.
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^^ If you have a problem with the warning you should take it up with Unicron in PM rather than public forum. 
trevanian
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^^ If you have a problem with the warning you should take it up with Unicron in PM rather than public forum.
They always say that, but it keeps folks from focusing on the validity of the warning if you take it to PM or MA. This keeps it in the forefront, pointing out a certain level of hypocrisy in the warning ways here.
Separate issue, but it's only a retcon if it's posited that the Klingons always had the ridges, which "Trials and Tribble-ations" makes quite clear that they didn't. It was just a difference that was left unexplained until that arc in Enterprise. We have yet to have an explanation regarding the Romulans, and one thing they discovered when preparing to do Andorians on Enterprise is that there really wasn't any consistency in the first place. Even during TOS there were subtle differences, so it's not really a violation of anything to show Andorians that were slightly different, since they were all different. Suffice it to say that Andorians are a very diverse race.
GodThingFormerly
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And with TMP we were told by the "Powers That Be" that the Klingons always looked this way, even in TOS, but we just didn't use enough Windex on our television screens which is why they looked human.
I don't recall Gene Roddenberry ever making a statement on the subject, but ST:TMP costume designer Robert Fletcher rationalized the new Klingon makeup in a Fantastic Films Magazine (April, 1980) interview:
Of course, whether GR would have been inclined to invoke this perfectly sensible explanation had he remained in creative control of the film series is something we will never know.
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^^ If you have a problem with the warning you should take it up with Unicron in PM rather than public forum.
They always say that, but it keeps folks from focusing on the validity of the warning if you take it to PM or MA. This keeps it in the forefront, pointing out a certain level of hypocrisy in the warning ways here.
For what it's worth, I'm always open to the possibility of rescinding. I rarely even give warnings. I'm off to bed in a few minutes and I have to work the better part of tomorrow, but GA is right. PM me and we can talk, but please don't derail this thread.
Andorians have ridges?Perhaps you mean Romulans. Yeah, it was hand-waving, but it made some degree of sense in light of the limited TOS budget.
No, Andorians in TMP got forehead appliances too:
http://www.starbase972.com/contents/shmulik/andor/6unseen.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/therinofandor/More.html
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ST-One
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Yes, but 'Where is your Neanderthal now?'
ST-One
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So, I've use the word in the wrong context. Kill me.
GodThingFormerly
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Extinct, although the existence of Neanderthals and modern homo sapiens appear to have overlapped for ~100,000 years.
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ST-One
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I know they existed together (and have perhaps even mingled). But today there is only homo sapiens sapiens.
But anyway. I just wanted to make some funny remark with that question.
I'd love to see someone actually get ahold of genetic material from neanderthals and what we call "modern man" and see if the two are actually different, or if it's just another set of physical feature variations within a common species.
All we actually know about neanderthals is that the skull structure was a bit different. Who's to say that these two "different species" remained different species? Can we be sure that the two "races" (not "species") didn't simply interbreed?
I mean, we've all seen folks with nearly-neanderthallic faces, haven't we? Maybe one didn't go "extinct," but that rather, through thousands of generations of interbreeding, the two became one race... and that those carrying "neanderthallic characteristics" simply tended to breed out of the pool over time?
Seriously... is there any REAL evidence that the two aren't both... BOTH... our ancestors? Yes, I know what the current conventional wisdom claims... but is there really evidence, or is this mainly conjecture (like so much else we think we know)? Remember... once upon a time, the "conventional wisdom" held many things which have since conclusively been proven wrong.
Theories are wonderful, useful tools... but it's dangerous to treat them as facts. The "two separate species" argument is a theory... not a confirmed fact.
I know my lab partner in my high school biology class fit the physical description for a Neanderthal to the letter.
For that matter, just watch a professional wrestling match sometime, you'll see plenty of 'em.
I think the interbreeding model holds a lot more water.
For that matter, just watch a professional wrestling match sometime, you'll see plenty of 'em.
I think the interbreeding model holds a lot more water.
Captain X
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Kneeling before Zod. But seriously, who's to say on an alien planet they wouldn't have certain variations from interbreeding with their own version of Neanderthals?
ST-One
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In most cases we didn't even get skin-colour variations in Trek's alien species.
But it's of course one possible interpretation...
Captain, the Earth-Two(PreCrisis) Superman had no Superboy career. When the stories were written for the Earth-One Superman, we found out he had a Superboy carreer starting around 8 years old. Stories in the 1950's were a transition time starting to center on the Silver Age Superman.
Okay, I 've had another chance to read through this thread. And this post also deserves a warning for flaming. I had a long day at work and didn't get a chance to look at things until late last night, so I apologize to anyone who felt I missed this. ST-One, you really need to dial back the attitude. I'm sorely tempted to close this thread.
How 'bout just banning his whiny ass for a week so the rest of us can actually have intelligent discussions?
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