Spoilers Andor - Season 2

[cooleddie74]

The Rebellion won. That saved the situtation.

 

[Yistaan]

Yes.

And how is that defined? Technically Russia is a democracy. I'd go so far as to say that it should be a democracy where a leader is limited to 2 terms. But then, even that's not helping... certain countries right now

 

[Awesome Possum]

Andor S2 motivated me to rewatch Rogue One, which I hadn't seen in some time, and as petty as it is, it bugs me that they decided to make K-2SO blaster-proof in Andor when in RO he dies from blaster fire. Sure maybe it's a civilian vs. military-grade firearm difference, but it stands out watching them back to back.

It is. A decent shot of any blaster can kill a person but it takes something stronger to take down an Imperial droid, one likely made of reinforced metal that can withstand most blaster fire. But the Empire needs weapons that are stronger and get through any armor.

 

[Awesome Possum]

And how is that defined? Technically Russia is a democracy. I'd go so far as to say that it should be a democracy where a leader is limited to 2 terms. But then, even that's not helping... certain countries right now

Russia is a democracy in the same way that North Korea is democratic republic, they call themselves that but it's really a dictatorship. The Empire had a Senate for most of it's existence but you can hardly call it a democracy.

 

[Yistaan]

Russia is a democracy in the same way that North Korea is democratic republic, they call themselves that but it's really a dictatorship. The Empire had a Senate for most of it's existence but you can hardly call it a democracy.

That's why I added that a democracy should be defined as where a leader is limited to 2 terms, something neither of said countries has done. That being said it's safe to say that's not even a safeguard all of the time, without getting too far off topic.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Set Harth]

The Empire was aware of what he did, he could never be taken to Yavin without the Empire following them.

Did he have an implanted tracking device or something?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Where's Snoke?

 

[Set Harth]

On the right end.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Where's Snoke?

In the fish bowl on the counter with the rest of the guppies.

 

[cooleddie74]

In the Jar of Snokes.

 

[Crewman6]

Andor S2 motivated me to rewatch Rogue One, which I hadn't seen in some time, and as petty as it is, it bugs me that they decided to make K-2SO blaster-proof in Andor when in RO he dies from blaster fire. Sure maybe it's a civilian vs. military-grade firearm difference, but it stands out watching them back to back.

He dies from a lot of blaster fire.

However, there's another KX droid on Jedha that Jyn fells with a single shot.

So, yeah, there's a pretty big inconsistency there.

 

[Gepard]

He dies from a lot of blaster fire.

However, there's another KX droid on Jedha that Jyn fells with a single shot.

So, yeah, there's a pretty big inconsistency there.

Yeah. Even the first shot in the data storage room blows a hole in K2's back. Here even when it's ISB blasting away at him, it all bounces off.

To be fair, I like a blaster-proof robot better than an easily-killed robot. But it's quite jarring.

 

[JD]

Assuming with all the positive feedback with this show I wonder if they’ll do a spin off?
We still have usable characters like Mon Mothma, Bix, Vel, Kleya, Wilmon etc
Could do a series with the 3 episode arcs like:
The evacuation of yarvin to hoth

That was already ready covered by the comics, and it wasn't an immediate thing, they actually end up on Hoth until closer to Empire Strikes Back.

The discovery of the second Death Star

Not sure if we've gotten this yet

The aftermath of the death of Palpatine

This has already been covered by several comics, books, and at least one game.

and we FINALLY get K2SO ... for what.. an episodes worth? Criminally under used.

I'm pretty sure this was a scheduling issue and not necessarily a creative choice. Alan Tudyk is pretty busy with Resident Alien right now, so he probably was he didn't have a lot of time for Andor. And I'm fine with that, given the choice I'd much rather have more Harry Vanderspeigle than more K2. K2 is fun, but Harry is the best role that Tudyk's career, and the fact the he hasn't any Emmy's yet or even been nominated, is just ridiculous.

I’m sure there are countless Imperial slave labor prison factories building all sorts of things, including assembling widgets that only exist for the next floor to receive and disassemble before sending the parts back to the first floor, but I theorize that the Empire was already building a second Death Star before the first was destroyed, and Dedra was building super laser sprockets or suchlike.

There have been a few other suggestions that the Empire was interested in having more than one Death Star at a time. The early RotJ concepts with two of them under construction in orbit of the Imperial capital that wasn’t yet Coruscant, for instance. I remember the ANH choose-your-own adventure book had a bad ending that mentioned that after you failed, the Empire built two more Death Stars to roam the galaxy putting the fear of Palpatine into everyone.

I'm pretty sure it's been established that there was overlap in the work on the two Death Stars, and not only that, but Jedi: Fallen Order reveals that they were already working on turning Illum into Starkiller Base before A New Hope.

Considering the sheer amount of stuff we have now BBY, there is now a dirth of stuff between ABY 1-10 up to Mando ( i know.. movies) but we really don't know much about what happened.

That whole time span has been pretty well covered by well over 100 comics, several novels, 2 other Disney+ series, and at least at 2 or 3 video games.

Luthen should be problematic. Most revolutions and wars for democratic liberties aren't won without some of the most questionable people in society doing questionable things for a goal they might not ever see fulfilled. Luthen is closer to reality than Luke Skywalker, tragically.

Luthen is an asshole, but a lot of people get to live in peace and freedom afterwards because of people like him throughout real history.

Oh yeah, every revolution needs at least one person in the shadows who is willing to get their hands dirty in the way that the big name heroes can't.

Luthen, Kleya and Cassian

Vietnam and Korea would like a word.

How many people do you think died when the Death Stars were destroyed? How many Stormtroopers, TIE pilots. X-Wing Pilots and others died in conflicts between the Rebels and the Empire? Star Wars is not a "Cold War".

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Guerrilla combat is necessary when you're in an occupied territory so I wouldn't argue against occupied France fighting or occupied Nanjing for example. All the rest was a country formally declaring war against another country (i.e. Britain declaring war on Germany etc.) which falls outside Luthen's style of fighting (he's not in a formal military etc.)

If Luthen were in an occupied planet and fighting back, that's fine. If an occupied planet asked for his help and he helped them fight back, fine. But deliberately setting up people who you know aren't ready (i.e. Ghorman) or attacking military in a populace that isn't actively revolting (the Naboo attack) is too far.

By the time we reach The Original Trilogy the entire galaxy is occupied territory, so anywhere The Empire is operating is fair game.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Guerrilla combat is necessary when you're in an occupied territory so I wouldn't argue against occupied France fighting or occupied Nanjing for example. All the rest was a country formally declaring war against another country (i.e. Britain declaring war on Germany etc.) which falls outside Luthen's style of fighting (he's not in a formal military etc.)

I'm sure the Americans, French and others who rebelled against their own government engaged in guerilla tactics. You need to remember France surrendered to the Germany and the Vichy government took over France. The French Resistance fought against the Germans in occupied territory and the Vichy French in the "French State".

 

[Ithekro]

And how is that defined? Technically Russia is a democracy. I'd go so far as to say that it should be a democracy where a leader is limited to 2 terms. But then, even that's not helping... certain countries right now

Winning once does not mean it will not happen again. History tends to repeat itself because we forget the lessons it teaches or take the wrong lesson from history and doom it to repeat.

 

[fireproof78]

By the time we reach The Original Trilogy the entire galaxy is occupied territory, so anywhere The Empire is operating is fair game

Yeah, but whoever heard of a civil war. What's with that?

 

[cooleddie74]

The Maquis in Star Trek derive their name from the French resistance in World War II. Both Trek and Star Wars get that you sometimes have to get your hands a little dirty to win a war of democratic liberation and independence.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

Even more than their tactics I think it was personality thing.

Like Saw and Luthen were my way or the highway assholes who never played nice with others. Even more than just blowing stuff up and killing people, they didn't tell other people what they were doing which is kind of a breaking point when you're putting together a Rebel Alliance. Both seem to come from a place of paranoia and the secrecy needed to operate with the resources they had at the time. Saw's pretty straight forward with this, and we see the part where he realizes the error of his ways shortly before his death in Rogue One.

Luthen's a bit more complex though, he worked so hard to bring different rebel cells together into his network in the first place. It seems like he always intended for the Rebellion to outgrow his network, and he was always so fatalistic, I almost wonder if it a bit of ego where he was trying to ensure they didn't become dependent on him, and tthat his operatives would go on to do more once he was gone.

 

[JD]

EW interview with Denise Gough about Dedra's arc in the last two episodes
https://ew.com/andor-star-denise-gough-luthen-dedra-showdown-fate-11734214