Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Not really, i'm interested in what comes next, i.e. the result in this case.
The journey is usually as important as the destination in storytelling but as i said we already saw Dedra make that journey and i don't see the benefit of repeating it when there's more important story elements to tell.
Yeah, my first thought when I saw that planet was Naboo.
Nice catch, I didn't even think of that.
Please no, it was great, but I don't want all Star Wars to be like this.
Poe's parents, Kes Dameron and Shara Bey are already recurring in the books and comics, and I doubt they're going to want to contradict that much content. One or two issues of a comic or a book are one thing, but they've shown up a ton of stuff, and I can't imagine they're going to want to wipe out that much content.
I was thinking about that too, at first I never would have thought she'd change sides, but after Ghorman and now being imprisoned for no good reason, I could see it happening.
I'm pretty sure the Death Star was built at least partly over Scarif in either the Rogue One novelisation or Catalyst. I can't remember where the idea came from, but I definitely remember it coming up somewhere
Yeah, I agree, whatever would have happened to him if he left than room, it would have been a hell of a lot worse a blaster bolt to the head
They already tried that twice with the first seasons of Discovery and Picard and it really didn't work either time. Either the franchise just doesn't translate to that kind of thing well, or the people making the shows just can't pull it off.
That's one of the great things about franchises like this, they allow for a huge variety of stories, I'd hate to see Star Wars to lose that by forcing everything else into the Andor mold. I wouldn't be against more shows in this style, but I'd still want to be able to get things like Skeleton Crew and Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew alongside it. I also think this kind of storytelling would really work well for the animated series.
Having Bix on Alderaan would have been a horrible way to end it, they wanted to end the show on a positive note, and that would have been the complete opposite.
There's never been any question about that, they've always been terrorists. Terrorism can be justified if you're in the kind of situation the early Rebels were in. Hell, if our country went in that direction, I'd be right there rooting on the "terrorists" even if I didn't have to guts to join them myself.
Forgot to share my thoughts on the episode:
Luthen's death was a bit of a surprise, I knew there was a very good chance that he wasn't going to survive the series, but I didn't expect it to happen like that. I was surprised we actually got a face-to-face confrontation between him and Dedra, I didn't expect her to ever actually catch him.
I was just starting to suspect that Kleya was Luthen's daughter right before we got the first flashback. For me it was her telling him to tuck in his shirt that sold it, and thinking back there were a few other interactions like that that hinted at their being more to their relationship than just him being her boss.
Poor Loni, I knew he was probably doomed the moment he told Luthen he'd been burned.
Kleya really was awesome in these episodes.
I didn't expect Cassian to be the first one to tell Mothma and the rest of the Rebel leadership about the Death Star.
I was a little confused about why Dedra ended up in prison, did they actually think she was a spy? Or did they believe she wasn't, but then still arrested her for looking into the Death Star files and going after Luthen without permission?
I was a little surprised that Bix went back to Mina Rau, but then I realized that was probably the last place where she was truly happy, and the Empire didn't really seem to have a regular presence, so it was still the easiest place to stay under the radar. The only other possibility would have maybe Ferrix, but I we don't really know what conditions there were like after the Season 1 finale.
I was a little surprised to see Mon Mothma's husband still living the same kind lifestyle he before after her speech, I had assumed he would have at least been thrown in prison since the imperials would probably assume he was on her side. Who was that he was with in the speeder? Was it Leida?
I was honestly surprised that so many of the show's original characters survived. I had expected at least a few more of them not to survive to the end. Now I'm really hoping we find out what became of Dedra, Vel, Bix, and Kleya going into the original trilogy through to the sequels.
Luthen's death was a bit of a surprise, I knew there was a very good chance that he wasn't going to survive the series, but I didn't expect it to happen like that. I was surprised we actually got a face-to-face confrontation between him and Dedra, I didn't expect her to ever actually catch him.
I was just starting to suspect that Kleya was Luthen's daughter right before we got the first flashback. For me it was her telling him to tuck in his shirt that sold it, and thinking back there were a few other interactions like that that hinted at their being more to their relationship than just him being her boss.
Poor Loni, I knew he was probably doomed the moment he told Luthen he'd been burned.
Kleya really was awesome in these episodes.
I didn't expect Cassian to be the first one to tell Mothma and the rest of the Rebel leadership about the Death Star.
I was a little confused about why Dedra ended up in prison, did they actually think she was a spy? Or did they believe she wasn't, but then still arrested her for looking into the Death Star files and going after Luthen without permission?
I was a little surprised that Bix went back to Mina Rau, but then I realized that was probably the last place where she was truly happy, and the Empire didn't really seem to have a regular presence, so it was still the easiest place to stay under the radar. The only other possibility would have maybe Ferrix, but I we don't really know what conditions there were like after the Season 1 finale.
I was a little surprised to see Mon Mothma's husband still living the same kind lifestyle he before after her speech, I had assumed he would have at least been thrown in prison since the imperials would probably assume he was on her side. Who was that he was with in the speeder? Was it Leida?
I was honestly surprised that so many of the show's original characters survived. I had expected at least a few more of them not to survive to the end. Now I'm really hoping we find out what became of Dedra, Vel, Bix, and Kleya going into the original trilogy through to the sequels.
As Bix is holding their infant child on Mina-Rau, enjoying peace and quiet, the child's father is dying on Scarif and holding Jyn Erso.
There’s no need to be condescending. I don’t have fantasies about real war, and I’m aware of the difference between that and fantasy space opera originally meant for kids — which I was a when I began following the franchise in 1977.
Ouch, that really hurts.
The StarWars.com articles are up
Trivia
https://www.starwars.com/news/andor-trivia-guide-week-4
My favorite bits of info are that the Naboo flashback was filmed at the same location where the deleted waterfall scene was filmed for The Phantom Menace.
The "grandmotherly" alien that Kleya used to get around the hospital was also on Niamos back in Season 1.
The tooka cat from the scene where Lonni's body is found was named Pix after of the VFX artist's dog that had died recently.
Alistair Petrie actually wore his General Draven costume from Rogue One, but Raddus and Cassian's costume had to be recreated.
The StarWars.com articles are up
Trivia
https://www.starwars.com/news/andor-trivia-guide-week-4
My favorite bits of info are that the Naboo flashback was filmed at the same location where the deleted waterfall scene was filmed for The Phantom Menace.
The "grandmotherly" alien that Kleya used to get around the hospital was also on Niamos back in Season 1.
The tooka cat from the scene where Lonni's body is found was named Pix after of the VFX artist's dog that had died recently.
Alistair Petrie actually wore his General Draven costume from Rogue One, but Raddus and Cassian's costume had to be recreated.
At first I thought it might be a callback to the Battle of Mimban that was happening at the same time as the early scenes of Solo, but it might be an entirely different planet. It's definitely Empire, albeit only a handful of years after the end of the Clone Wars.
Not true.
The mid credits scene in the final episode of Andor's Season 1 showed the Death Star under construction over Scarif. Rebels already established that Geonosis had been abandoned, they figured out that something big was being build there, but were not able to connect the dots.
So Luthen would have been part of the Empire then? It makes me slightly surprised how he could hide under the radar as this whole other persona with that kind of history.
He was a sergeant. Not exactly high in the Empire's echelons.
Andor shouted out to the sequel trilogy at least four or five times over the course of its run, the most recent example being when Wilmon was working with Saw's group in the same place where the Resistance was based in Episode 7.
Finished my rewatch of both Rogue One and A New Hope and, for the most part, everything transitioned from one to the other pretty smoothly.
Most people have regularly commented throughout the season about Cassian's lines about the terrible things he has done for the Rebellion, how he had been fighting since he was six, and how Jyn isn't the one who has lost everything, but the line that stood out the most for me was Chirrut Îmwe's about how Cassian carries a prison with him everywhere he goes. After seeing this show, we now have a far better sense of what Chirrut saw in Cassian and all of the pain he carried with him. Chirrut's observation hit the hardest of all of the recontextualizations.
That and seeing Cassian dying, never knowing he had a child. And we viewers know that if he had known about that child, he would never gone on the Rogue One mission, which probably would've doomed them all in the end. That's probably the most tragic part of all.
Beyond Cassian, the biggest thing that stood out to me was how after just dismissing Dedra away for her failure, Krennic's own arrogance and hubris ironically mirrored her own, ultimately leading to this own downfall. And I can't help but think they also mirrored Tarkin in the same sense, except he was more competent and a little less self-serving than either of them.
I don't think I've watched Rogue One since the first season, so I only ever had a vague sense of who Melshi was in the film, but it was still sad to see he had a quick death, one that wasn't even directly seen. But he certainly had more to do than I remembered which was fun.
The point being, as already noted by @Brolan, it's a matter of perspective.
Most people have regularly commented throughout the season about Cassian's lines about the terrible things he has done for the Rebellion, how he had been fighting since he was six, and how Jyn isn't the one who has lost everything, but the line that stood out the most for me was Chirrut Îmwe's about how Cassian carries a prison with him everywhere he goes. After seeing this show, we now have a far better sense of what Chirrut saw in Cassian and all of the pain he carried with him. Chirrut's observation hit the hardest of all of the recontextualizations.
That and seeing Cassian dying, never knowing he had a child. And we viewers know that if he had known about that child, he would never gone on the Rogue One mission, which probably would've doomed them all in the end. That's probably the most tragic part of all.
Beyond Cassian, the biggest thing that stood out to me was how after just dismissing Dedra away for her failure, Krennic's own arrogance and hubris ironically mirrored her own, ultimately leading to this own downfall. And I can't help but think they also mirrored Tarkin in the same sense, except he was more competent and a little less self-serving than either of them.
I don't think I've watched Rogue One since the first season, so I only ever had a vague sense of who Melshi was in the film, but it was still sad to see he had a quick death, one that wasn't even directly seen. But he certainly had more to do than I remembered which was fun.
Tell that to Gul Dukat, who literally called her a terrorist many times.
The point being, as already noted by @Brolan, it's a matter of perspective.
The foreign aggressors don't get to make that call.
Is that a joke? We're supposed to "know" that planet is Scarif because it looks like the most generic blue-green planet ever?
Gimme a break. At no point does the show or Rogue One make it clear that Scarif has any connection to the Death Star other than housing "a copy of the plans" there, which, as Rogue One shows us, is just one of literally thousands of pieces of data on file there, as well. It's an archive.
Well, this time we did get a Tooka... ( I thought it was a Loth-cat! )
And was the open palm/closed fist image a reference to Mortis? Or to the High Republic? Or both?
I'm not saying they "get" to make that call. I'm just saying they're already them terrorists while we call them freedom fighters. That is all.
I also thought that was a Loth-cat! But I'll take either.
I also wondered if that was a reference to Mortis.
Not sure about that. If Krennic had maintained command of the Death Star, then even if he didn't deduce exactly what Galen Erso did or connect it with the exhaust port, he definitely would've sent a MASSIVE fleet of TIEs after the 30 Rebel ships and the Rebels would've been toast. It was Tarkin's arrogance and Vader only bringing in a small TIE force that ended the Death Star. Otherwise, even with Galen's sabotage the Rebels would've lost.
That's just EU bullshit that someone came up with later to "explain" the relatively small number of TIEs seen in the movie.
That requires no explanation whatsoever and makes no sense in any event. The Empire sent TIEs, the number is irrelevant.
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