As we gear up to watch the series finale, here's one of the best fan videos about the series. It's easily my favorite.
Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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I'm pretty sure at this point that Maarva's line about her being dead the last time she talked to Cassian is our answer. She seemed pretty certain, so I have a feeling she managed to get definite proof somewhere along the line that no one else survived on Kenari.
I'm kind of 50/50 on whether that was her fate, or if she was one of the Imperial officers who ran off and started the First Order.
Probably won't happen but considering Bix seemingly became a Force believer from that healer she may well have gone to Jedha to wait for Cassian while meditating on the Force or whatever. Which means she barely missed Cassian while he was running around Jedha in Rogue One and then died when Jedha city was blown up and Cassian had no idea.
There's no way that's true.
Dash Rendar is arguably the worst example of the tiresome "Suspiciously Similar Substitute" trope in existence.
He's the Vance and Coy of the Star Wars universe and arguably the worst-written character in the whole franchise.
The term "Sith" was used to describe Darth Vader from the beginning, in the original novelisation, in spinoff material going all the way back to when SW first came out. Hell, there's a deleted scene where one of the Imperial officers in the briefing even uses the term (a shame that wasn't restored in one of Lucas' many later tinkerings.)
While it's ambiguous who knew what about the Emperor himself, many in the Imperial hierarchy knew that Vader was a Sith/Force user and there didn't seem to be any PR issues about that at all.
Since the Emperor made sure to paint the Jedi as history's villains post Clone Wars, I don't think anyone would have cared if "Sith Lords" were affiliated with the Emperor or his goons.
I understood that reference.
I just happened to rewatch that the other day. Soooo damn good.
Oh. I have something in my eye and it's going to be there for a bit.
I went right into Rogue One and it is a flawless fit.
I was not sure going in how the final trilogy would conclude, but now that it is over, I cannot see how it could end in any other way. And I'm so damn happy that the show stuck the landing. Right down to the classic Star Wars fanfare playing as the credits roll straight into Rogue One. Well, almost. I have to wait until tomorrow after work for my long-awaited rewatch. But first...
We, himself included, always knew Luthen would not live to see the end, although I was a tad surprised by the nature of it. You'd think he'd use the equivalent of a cyanide pill in his tooth and, yet at the same time, of course, he tried to kill himself with one of his precious relics (perhaps a fake!)...which naturally didn't do the job and left poor Kleya with the terrible task of finishing the job for him.
I always wondered what was the true relationship between Luthen and Kleya, beyond directing operations together in their little corner of the Rebellion. During this season more than the last, it became clear to me that she loved him in some fashion so I wasn't surprised (but also relieved) to learn it was a familial love, one born out of devastation and trauma. I didn't expect to see Luthen flashbacks this late in the game and yet death and near-death flashbacks are common currency in dramas such as this show, so I gladly embraced seeing their early days together. Which, of course, made the ultimate moment of Kleya letting Luthen die to protect the Rebellion all the more heartbreaking.
Much like the last trilogy, I loved the slow and intense build up of tension in rushing the vital intelligence of the true nature of the "energy program" to the Rebellion. Racing from Lonni's desperate actions to Kleya's proficient one-woman infiltration of the hospital to Cassian's extraction operation, all while watching Dedra's moment of triumph turn into dust in a blink of a moment and then becoming Heert's hopeless act to not follow his former mentor's footsteps. While there was much plot armor involved, I nonetheless though Kleya had become expendable the moment she relayed her intel to Cassian and Melshi, so I loved the show's restraint in not killing her during the escape. There were going to be plenty of deaths before the end (rest in peace, Lonni, you were never going to get out) so I'm thrilled Kleya made it out alive, if forever haunted by her actions.
All that was left was convincing the Rebellion to trust and act on that intelligence. I quite liked how that wasn't an immediate given and even brought back the original council (welcome back, Admiral Raddus and Senators Pamlo and Nower Jebel!) to chew on the reliability of the intel. Even though we knew how the situation would play out, it was nice to see all of the pieces come together naturally, along with Saw's mad ravings on Jedha and a certain Tivik crying out with his own intel to give Cassian.
And what sweet delicious irony to see poor Dedra, the most loyal servant of the mighty Empire, left to rot in an Imperial prison not unlike the one on Narkina 5 (doesn't even need to be the same one). You're the greatest asset to the Empire until you fuck up once. Just be glad it wasn't a Force choke, Dedra.
Which brings us to the most heartbreaking (and inevitable) conclusion: Bix is safe on Mina-Rau, reunited with B2EMO, quietly raising Cassian's son, and waiting for a husband father who will never return.
I cannot wait to rewatch Rogue One to see how much this brilliant drama recontextualizes that phenomenal film.
We, himself included, always knew Luthen would not live to see the end, although I was a tad surprised by the nature of it. You'd think he'd use the equivalent of a cyanide pill in his tooth and, yet at the same time, of course, he tried to kill himself with one of his precious relics (perhaps a fake!)...which naturally didn't do the job and left poor Kleya with the terrible task of finishing the job for him.
I always wondered what was the true relationship between Luthen and Kleya, beyond directing operations together in their little corner of the Rebellion. During this season more than the last, it became clear to me that she loved him in some fashion so I wasn't surprised (but also relieved) to learn it was a familial love, one born out of devastation and trauma. I didn't expect to see Luthen flashbacks this late in the game and yet death and near-death flashbacks are common currency in dramas such as this show, so I gladly embraced seeing their early days together. Which, of course, made the ultimate moment of Kleya letting Luthen die to protect the Rebellion all the more heartbreaking.
Much like the last trilogy, I loved the slow and intense build up of tension in rushing the vital intelligence of the true nature of the "energy program" to the Rebellion. Racing from Lonni's desperate actions to Kleya's proficient one-woman infiltration of the hospital to Cassian's extraction operation, all while watching Dedra's moment of triumph turn into dust in a blink of a moment and then becoming Heert's hopeless act to not follow his former mentor's footsteps. While there was much plot armor involved, I nonetheless though Kleya had become expendable the moment she relayed her intel to Cassian and Melshi, so I loved the show's restraint in not killing her during the escape. There were going to be plenty of deaths before the end (rest in peace, Lonni, you were never going to get out) so I'm thrilled Kleya made it out alive, if forever haunted by her actions.
All that was left was convincing the Rebellion to trust and act on that intelligence. I quite liked how that wasn't an immediate given and even brought back the original council (welcome back, Admiral Raddus and Senators Pamlo and Nower Jebel!) to chew on the reliability of the intel. Even though we knew how the situation would play out, it was nice to see all of the pieces come together naturally, along with Saw's mad ravings on Jedha and a certain Tivik crying out with his own intel to give Cassian.
And what sweet delicious irony to see poor Dedra, the most loyal servant of the mighty Empire, left to rot in an Imperial prison not unlike the one on Narkina 5 (doesn't even need to be the same one). You're the greatest asset to the Empire until you fuck up once. Just be glad it wasn't a Force choke, Dedra.
Which brings us to the most heartbreaking (and inevitable) conclusion: Bix is safe on Mina-Rau, reunited with B2EMO, quietly raising Cassian's son, and waiting for a husband father who will never return.
I cannot wait to rewatch Rogue One to see how much this brilliant drama recontextualizes that phenomenal film.
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My guess early imperial army.
Ok, that was interesting.
I find it odd, but maybe a little bit daring and refreshing, that this show is actually going to rely on Rogue One to be it's final episode. The story doesn't so much end or wrap up as it does BEGIN. And boy howdy, they weren't kidding when they said this would end literally in the moments before Rogue One begins.
The real star of this final batch was Kleya. Loved the actress, and the character finally gets some meat here. (I keep seeing roughly ROTJ era Carrie Fischer every time I see this character, and that's a little distracting, but I think that's pretty clearly a me problem.) I loved the bit with Luthen's only fear being what he's turning her into. Which ends up being prescient, as she winds up every bit as untrusting and isolated as he was, though Vel offers her a metaphorical and literal hand out of that by being a friend when it matters. Also, it finally just occurred to me watching that sequence, when Vel used Luthen's old code phrase, just how ironic "I have friends everywhere" is. Truth, in the sense that Luthen has eyes all over the galaxy. But ironic in the sense that he had to completely isolate himself and cut himself off from almost everyone to get there. He has no friends. Only agents.
Lonni. Poor, sad Lonni. Guess we know where Cassian gets it from when he does the same to Tivik shortly after the episode ends. Panic is a useless state, and Luthen may have even been right to do what he did, as Lonni was going to be a huge liability that probably couldn't be saved. But Lonni was also being brave as all f&&k bringing the real goods to Luthen at the moment of truth and deserved better.
Dedra suffers the fate of all fascists. Used, chewed up, then discarded to the waste pile. She deserved every bit of her suffering. Loyalty to tyrants is loyalty misplaced. Such a satisfying end. Partagaz had a clearer vision of his place in things, and goes out like the coward he was always going to be. Gotta love being led to your incarceration/execution by the underling who is going to be replacing you. As an aside, if they'd opted for a gratuitous cameo, this would have been the spot for it. Send in a certain cyborg Dark Lord to check in with Partagaz at the end. I'm glad they didn't, this was objectively better. Lower key.
And finally, K2 being K2 remains my single greatest joy from this corner of the universe. We didn't get much of him, but he was excellently deployed when we did.
I find it odd, but maybe a little bit daring and refreshing, that this show is actually going to rely on Rogue One to be it's final episode. The story doesn't so much end or wrap up as it does BEGIN. And boy howdy, they weren't kidding when they said this would end literally in the moments before Rogue One begins.
The real star of this final batch was Kleya. Loved the actress, and the character finally gets some meat here. (I keep seeing roughly ROTJ era Carrie Fischer every time I see this character, and that's a little distracting, but I think that's pretty clearly a me problem.) I loved the bit with Luthen's only fear being what he's turning her into. Which ends up being prescient, as she winds up every bit as untrusting and isolated as he was, though Vel offers her a metaphorical and literal hand out of that by being a friend when it matters. Also, it finally just occurred to me watching that sequence, when Vel used Luthen's old code phrase, just how ironic "I have friends everywhere" is. Truth, in the sense that Luthen has eyes all over the galaxy. But ironic in the sense that he had to completely isolate himself and cut himself off from almost everyone to get there. He has no friends. Only agents.
Lonni. Poor, sad Lonni. Guess we know where Cassian gets it from when he does the same to Tivik shortly after the episode ends. Panic is a useless state, and Luthen may have even been right to do what he did, as Lonni was going to be a huge liability that probably couldn't be saved. But Lonni was also being brave as all f&&k bringing the real goods to Luthen at the moment of truth and deserved better.
Dedra suffers the fate of all fascists. Used, chewed up, then discarded to the waste pile. She deserved every bit of her suffering. Loyalty to tyrants is loyalty misplaced. Such a satisfying end. Partagaz had a clearer vision of his place in things, and goes out like the coward he was always going to be. Gotta love being led to your incarceration/execution by the underling who is going to be replacing you. As an aside, if they'd opted for a gratuitous cameo, this would have been the spot for it. Send in a certain cyborg Dark Lord to check in with Partagaz at the end. I'm glad they didn't, this was objectively better. Lower key.
And finally, K2 being K2 remains my single greatest joy from this corner of the universe. We didn't get much of him, but he was excellently deployed when we did.
Excellent finale but how Luthen went out was puzzling. I figured a careful planner like him would have his place rigged for either escape or suicide. I thought his picking out his ring was foreshadowing of it being poisoned. Or it was a trigger for bombs in his showroom.
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