^^I thought so, but when I went back to confirm the title, only his name was on the cover. Was it just the later novels that acknowledged their participation?
An Open Invitation to Janeway Fans
- Thread starter Kirsten Beyer
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^^Ahhh, excellent. Thank-you.
How many is "many"? Go read the discussions on Amazon.com about bringing her back, I think you will find plenty of treklit readers who would like her to return.
I also agree that if she finally does come back those in the BBKJ ranks who haven't read much treklit will end up reading that book because they've been so vocal about it!
As for the comment elsewhere in the thread that "death shouldn't be a revolving door" all I'd like to say is... SPOCK at the end of STAR TREK II:WRATH of KHAN and in STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK is the most blatant movie example that belies that sentiment... and of course KIRK at the end of STAR TREK VII GENERATIONS leading into STAR TREK: THE RETURN as the best Trek lit example.)
Point of order. Kirk's return is in a separate continuity (the Shatnerverse) from most of TrekLit (TrekLit Prime, if you will). Kirk's still dead in most of the books.
Likewise in Star Trek: The Needs of the Many, which is set in the universe of Star Trek:Online, Janeway never died and is one of the characters. So Kirk's not a great example in this case.
Also in the primary TrekLit verse: Data, still dead. Tasha Yar, still dead. Jadzia Dax, still dead. Wesley and Kes: still... ascended. Romulus: still on course to be asploded.
Wow. I didn't know that Janeway's disappearance/death was a hot topic. I rather liked the character!
As for the comment elsewhere in the thread that "death shouldn't be a revolving door" all I'd like to say is... SPOCK at the end of STAR TREK II:WRATH of KHAN and in STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK is the most blatant movie example that belies that sentiment... and of course KIRK at the end of STAR TREK VII GENERATIONS leading into STAR TREK: THE RETURN as the best Trek lit example.
Point of order. Kirk's return is in a separate continuity (the Shatnerverse) from most of TrekLit (TrekLit Prime, if you will). Kirk's still dead in most of the books.
Likewise in Star Trek: The Needs of the Many, which is set in the universe of Star Trek:Online, Janeway never died and is one of the characters. So Kirk's not a great example in this case.
Also in the primary TrekLit verse: Data, still dead. Tasha Yar, still dead. Jadzia Dax, still dead. Wesley and Kes: still... ascended. Romulus: still on course to be asploded.
Ahh... but even though Data is dead, the movie Nemesis provided a replacement for him even before the credits rolled.
Kirk living in a parallel Trek lit universe means (Kirk's voice) He's. Still. Living. Old. Friend.
Tasha is still dead, but after she returned in TNG's TV run, and actually gave birth to a daughter... one who bedeviled Picard even more than Tasha ever could.
JADZIA Dax is still dead... but EZRI Dax lives long and prospers!
Kes.... she's still hitching a ride back to Ocampa where she won't be ascended any further.
Wesley?
Who gives a flying fig about WESLEY! 
Oh... and SPOCK... you know...
the guy that DIED in the SECOND Star trek film... he ROCKED our universe in 2009's STAR TREK Rebooted. 
All we are saying....
Is give Janeway a chance.
Kirk living in a parallel Trek lit universe means (Kirk's voice) He's. Still. Living. Old. Friend.
Yes, and Janeway is living in a parallel Trek lit universe (STO: The Needs of the Many). So. She. Is. Still. Living.
^ Exactly, thank you.
There were hints of a possibility, but nobody in TrekLit's followed up on it. In fact, I think that was somewhat dismissed even within TrekLit.
... so, what does this have to do with Our!Tasha? Our!Tasha is still very much dead, the one from Yesterday's Enterprise was a parallel reality.
Not the same character. This isn't even like the Doctor, where he regenerates. Jadzia Dax died. Dax survived; now we have Ezri Dax.
You know TrekLit can't directly contradict anything that was onscreen, right? So if you've got a problem with Spock, take it up with Nicholas Meyer, J.J. Abrams, Paramount/CBS, Bad Robot Entertainment... really, anybody but Pocket Books.
There were hints of a possibility, but nobody in TrekLit's followed up on it. In fact, I think that was somewhat dismissed even within TrekLit.
Tasha is still dead, but after she returned in TNG's TV run, and actually gave birth to a daughter... one who bedeviled Picard even more than Tasha ever could.
... so, what does this have to do with Our!Tasha? Our!Tasha is still very much dead, the one from Yesterday's Enterprise was a parallel reality.
Not the same character. This isn't even like the Doctor, where he regenerates. Jadzia Dax died. Dax survived; now we have Ezri Dax.Oh... and SPOCK... you know...
You know TrekLit can't directly contradict anything that was onscreen, right? So if you've got a problem with Spock, take it up with Nicholas Meyer, J.J. Abrams, Paramount/CBS, Bad Robot Entertainment... really, anybody but Pocket Books.
I have NO problem with Spock.
I love Spock.
I love that they brought Spock back in ST:III.
My original thesis was that "bringing Janeway back from the dead" isn't setting precedent. Its a tried and true plot point in many Scifi / Star Trek stories.
A plot point that Star Trek rebooted exploited to a delicious advantage in 2009.
Thank God!
Umm... wut? Nobody was brought back from the dead in Abrams' film. In fact, Amanda Grayson and 95%+ of Vulcans, along with the planet, died. Not to mention Romulus in the 24th Century. And if you think they're going to bring back Vulcan in the movies going forward, well... no.
Apart from "the franchise" of course.
Pocket books has in one way or another (back from the dead, wasn't dead, sort of wasn't dead, etc.) has seen fit to bring back Kirk, Sisko, Trip, and in Trek film/TV Spock was brought back and Data sort of (memories in B4), and I didn't hear a lot of protest then that Trek was undoing death too much. But now we have have the "purists" suddenly tired of using that device and it just so happens to be associated with the idea of bringing back the only lead female captain. Seems a little odd that it was ok with the males given that privilege but now that idea for Janeway is just too much to deal with? How about giving a little consideration with what KJ's fans had to deal with when their favorite character, someone who was inspirational to many, was gotten rid of so seemingly callously? Why shouldn't they get to see their role model back, too? The attitude that they're just supposed to "get over it" makes me wonder if their potential as customers has just been written off, as if they're not the population Trek lit is trying to cater to, and what they might want is not important. Since we're just supposed to blindly buy the "Voy" books even if not something we'd really want to read, I guess Pocket Books TPTB have little respect for us, so why should we feel too kindly towards them AND also give them our money to support those that killed our Janeway? Telling those protesting the current "Voy" books "try it you'll like it" is as if we have no thoughts of our own, and are also willing to keep feeling badly about what we are reading. That is like the abuser telling the abused to stay even though it is actually an unhealthy situation, and they're not even supposed to complain about it. Well we've decided not to take it anymore and ask to be treated fairly, seems better than just going along with this unhappy state of affairs, bring KJ back!
...Janeway fans are all considered "crabby old ladies"? That's news to me.
Trekkies stereotyping Trekkies. Funny times!
Sisko said he'd be back, he's not a fair comparison, and I'm sure if Kate Mulgrew wanted to write a series of Janeway novels she'd get free reign to do what she wanted to, just like Shat did.
But frankly, I haven't bought an Enterprise novel since The Good that Men Do and the return of Trip. Him being Not. Dead. bugged the hell out of me, and I'm not going to buy anymore Enterprise novels unless something really grabs me, but I tried.
Kirk living in a parallel Trek lit universe means (Kirk's voice) He's. Still. Living. Old. Friend.
Yes, and Janeway is living in a parallel Trek lit universe (STO: The Needs of the Many). So. She. Is. Still. Living.
Then why don't you have an online role player game with a Dead Janeway, and also some dead Janeway fan fiction and be satisifed with just that, if it is considered good enough for us, you shouldn't have any problem accepting that for yourself.
Honestly that fits and it is the first time anything you have ever said about me fits. If I am crabby it is because that is all I can be here on the BBS. You and many others have treated me so badly you deserve to see my crabby side. I will continue to be crabby so long as you all fail to see me as a very real person, who can and will continue to work until the goal of Kathryn Janeway returning to her rightful place as the "MAIN" character in books labeled "Voyager."
I am also an old lady, at 64 I have lived long enough to have earned that title. Heck I am only two years away from retirement age and then I can be around all day to harass you all, unless this problem is fixed sooner.
You guys cannot even get a majority in a pole to keep her dead on a board with almost 5000 members. You are the delusional ones.
...Janeway fans are all considered "crabby old ladies"? That's news to me.
Trekkies stereotyping Trekkies. Funny times!
But sadly kind of more of the same, you'd think some Trek fans might be a little more forward thinking, and try to remember the golden rule. By the way, I became "crabby" about Trek lit when the Pocket Books editors decided to get rid of my 2nd favorite major Trek character (Mr. Spock will always be #1 of course) as if she was a gnat to be swatted, instead of the only lead female Trek captain. And if protesting such apparent mean-spiritness is "crabby," then I guess I'm "guilty," altho I'd prefer to call it letting my wants known, the same as any other Trekker. (And perhaps then those who prefer to let KJ remain dead, and call those who don't "crabby," can be thought of as "crabby," too, if one would want to be particular....)
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Am I speaking Swedish here?
Let's look at each of your examples in turn.
Kirk: brought back in a parallel universe (the Shatnerverse, written by William Shatner and the Reeves-Stevenses), but not the main Pocket Verse. However, in Star Trek Online: The Needs of the Many, which is another alternate Pocket Verse, Janeway never died. Likewise in the Shatnerverse for that matter, she's alive and kicking there.
Sisko: promised he'd return before DS9 ended at the insistence of Avery Brooks. Pocket exercised that storyline... after 12 books (the end of the 13th book) of the DS9 Relaunch, during which time the new status quo was decisively set up and evolved. And fans didn't know it was coming. You cool with waiting 12, almost 13 books?
Trip: now here's a good example of what could be done if the Pocket editors decide to bring back Janeway sooner.
Spock: Pocket's got no control over what the TV/films do and they're bound by them. Romulus will eventually explode, Spock will eventually go back in time during related events.
Data/B4: Pocket's specifically avoided this storyline and in the main continuity Data's still quite dead. In two alternate universes (Countdown and Star Trek: Online) he's back though.
So of your five examples, 2 are in the same situation as Janeway herself, 1 is outside the purview of Pocket, 1 means settling in for a long wait, and 1 is an immediate restoration.
As far as female captains, within the context of TrekLit, you've not also got Sonya Gomez, Ezri Dax, and (Admiral) Elizabeth Shelby.
I'm not going to bother replying to just another put-down post (zzzz), except to say having a few (mostly minor, ie, not lead characters) women characters as captains/admirals in Trek lit do not make up for so rudely killing off the only female lead captain in Trek TV/film. And I hope that is "non-Swedish" plain speaking enough to understand, thank you (bring KJ back!).
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