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Am I the only one who didn't like the trailer?

Anticitizen

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I'm 27 years old, and I've been a Star Trek fan since I was old enough to watch TV. I was raised on TOS reruns, the movies, and TNG's first run. Read a vast amount of the novels and was able to quote The Wrath of Khan word for word in 3rd grade. Met my best friend in elementary school because we shared Trek interest. We used to arrange the furniture in his basement to be 'bridge-like' and role-play Trek, including throwing ourselves across the room and smacking into walls to simulate incoming enemy torpedoes.

Just wanted to say all that before I said this:

I didn't like the trailer, and I don't particularly have high hopes for the film.

I am by no means a purist. I don't mind messing with the canon a little bit if you intend to reboot a franchise. Worked well for Bond and Batman. What I found distasteful about this trailer was the fact that absolutely nothing felt like Star Trek.

First of all, I didn't like kid-Kirk driving a centuries-old vette (those things are rare enough now in 2008) off a cliff to tense techno-drum music. That's just not something anyone would do. My suspension of disbelief is immediately shattered, which is saying a lot considering I'll accept all the science fiction aspects of Star Trek, like time travel and transporters. It just screams too much of something that was intended to be a cool scene rather than a realistic act by a rebellious kid. Also, one of the sillier things about Trek have been all the constant references to the 20th century, from TOS onward. The inclusion of a 20th century car seems to have been made just for the trailer alone - to pull a bait 'n' switch on viewers watching the trailer, and pique their interest when Droid Swat Cop pulls up on his hoverbike, letting you know Things Aren't Quite What You Thought. Anyone seeing the actual movie already of course knows it's a Star Trek movie set in the future.

I don't think Roddenberry would've liked his optimistic, evolved society Earth policemen wearing scary-looking cyborg SWAT clothing and speak with gravelly metallic voices. The cop looked like something out of a dystopia, like THX-1138 or Logan's Run.

Then the trailer turns into an extremely quick-cut mess of fighting, monsters, crap blowing up, sex, and out-of-context one-liners.

It looks like a visually different movie than its predecessors, but what clips we were shown paint a picture to me that's evocative of the garbage heap which was Nemesis. Space battles against creepy Romulans, even styled after Nosferatu just like in Nemesis.

Here's the problem I've had with the movies as of late: at some point, someone abandoned the original dream and decided Star Trek was all about space battles. That point was, of course, after the lukewarm reception of STTMP, and TWOK was created to feed the legions of new sci-fi fans who had seen Star Wars.

Don't get me wrong, The Wrath of Khan is a near-perfect movie that works on many levels and explores philosophical questions about life, death, and sacrifice. But it was the point at which the spirit of the original series started to take a backseat, somewhat, to the 'action' plots.

This is the part that most people will probably disagree with me on: I think The Final Frontier best invoked the spirit of the orignal series. Taking a starship to the center of the galaxy to find 'god' is straight out of TOS scriptbook - in the spirit of exploration not just of the cosmos, but the human spirit, evocative of both 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' and 'Who Mourns for Adonais?'. There is a Klingon antagonist in a Bird of Prey, but the antagonism ends in mutual celebration and the beginnings of a friendship between enemies, the sort of idealism that did not exist on the 'planet of intergalactic peace' in the beginning of the movie. It reminded me of 'Day of the Dove', a previous TOS outing where we see the crew and Klingons laughing together at the conclusion. The events that took place lessons learned simply felt very 'Trek' to me, having been raised on TOS.

I'm probably going to raise some ire here by saying that almost everything about the TNG movies was uninspired crap in terms of plot, and capturing the Trek spirit. Every movie was a typical beat-the-bad-guys-in-combat story. First Contact, which I feel the best of them, even took away the only unique and interesting thing about the Borg - their collective hive mind and lack of individuality - by introducing the Borg Queen. Data's quest to learn about humanity is gone thanks to his new emotion chip, so he's just another crew member now, but really smart and made o' metal which has made him a sort of deux ex machina (no pun intended) for wrapping up plot problems. From this point on the films abandoned anything resembling Roddenberry's optimistic dream about a ship that travelled to the distant stars and discovered wonders of the human spirit. TNG's final two outings were downright embarassing, and I think a little piece of me died inside when Riker starts piloting the Enterprise via the use of a friggin' joystick that pops up out of nowhere. :klingon:

I know I'm rambling a bit, but I wanted to make it clear what it is that I understand Star Trek to be, and I think that the declining interest in the franchise with each new installment over the past two decades backs me up. I think another Enterprise Versus The Bad Guys that is merely relying on kitsch references to TOS will do the franchise no favors.

I do not want an angsty, angry, violent Spock who's 'torn between two worlds'. Spock, along with Kirk and McCoy, served a specific purpose to the show - they each represent a unique and different perspective to whatever philosophical quandries our intrepid ship meets in space: Spock championing logic and reason, McCoy counterweighing with emotion and old-fashioned human values, and Kirk the icon of decision, intuition, and adventurism.
Changing this dynamic takes away what I think is the core of the spirit of the original series. I know personal angst is 'in vogue' right now in TV fiction, but it has no place in these characters.

If you saw the horrible remake of 'The Time Machine' a few years ago, you'll know what I mean. The time traveller from the orignal HG Wells novel was a man motivated only by the quest for knowledge and exploration. In the modern remake, the storytellers decided that that motivation wasn't apparently valid or at least easy enough for viewers to relate to, so they tack on a scene at the beginning of the movie where the traveller's beloved fiance is killed, driving him to create the time machine in an attempt to go back in time to save her. Apparently the the human need to explore and discover that was present in both Trek and The Time Machine are no longer considered valid human qualities by the cabal of Hollywood screenwriters, and only something as basic and trite as 'The Power of Love' or something can help mankind achieve anything. Star Trek was about self-improvement and pushing forward for the sake of its own reward.

The same goes for Kirk. In fact, I don't want *any* of these characters to be driven by something in their 'dark past'. I want the gung-ho, we-can-do-it, golly heck, what new thing are we gonna find out there on the final frontier?

Oh, and speaking of time travel, it's DEFINITELY been done to death already in this franchise. And they're doing it again.

Anyway. Sorry for the long-ass post. I hope I'm wrong in all my misgivings and that this turns out to be the most awesome Star Trek outing that's ever existed... but judging by what I've seen I'm afraid I expect the same old crap of recent years, mixed with kitsch references and teen drama.

A couple more niggles before I sign off:

-Kirk gettin' jiggy with Uhura? Nuh-uh. No. Just no. Green-skinned aliens are okay, but Jim Kirk wouldn't diddle about with his crew. 'I've already got one woman... her name is The Enterprise', remember? And his self-discipline in swallowing his affections for Janice Rand in the name of duty.

-I didn't catch a trace of the good Country Doctor's drawl in McCoy.

-'I like this ship, it's exciting!' Scotty was comedic for situational humor, not wacky one-liners. Ironical sarcastic remarks like that are something else that's 'in vogue' right now and will probably not age well.

-Kirk's bike looks VERY contemporary for 2008. Is it a centuries-old antique too? It has an incandescent headlamp which is something we're already starting to phase out now. Just something else that will not age well, and date the film.

-This isn't about the movie, but the trailer itself - the Romulan telling us 'The Wait Is Now Over'. Obviously put in at the end to serve as a message to the audience. But... that audience is gonna have to wait almost seven more months :lol:

Anyway... am I alone in all of this? I've only heard one or two other people say they didn't like it which really surprised me. Can those of you who did like it at the very least relate to the reasons I didn't?

All that said, I do hope it turns out to be a very good Star Trek film, and I will be seeing it regardless.
 
I didn't like the trailer, and I don't particularly have high hopes for the film.

I liked the trailer far more than I thought I would. Still won't know about the final product until May.

The same goes for Kirk. In fact, I don't want *any* of these characters to be driven by something in their 'dark past'. I want the gung-ho, we-can-do-it, golly heck, what new thing are we gonna find out there on the final frontier?

I do think Kirk is driven by dark things in his past. Tarsus IV from TOS for example.

I do not want an angsty, angry, violent Spock who's 'torn between two worlds'.

Well Spock has always been torn between two worlds. Plus we have to get from the smiling, emotional Spock of The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before to the more controlled Spock of TOS.

Oh, and speaking of time travel, it's DEFINITELY been done to death already in this franchise. And they're doing it again.

Agreed.

-Kirk gettin' jiggy with Uhura? Nuh-uh. No. Just no. Green-skinned aliens are okay, but Jim Kirk wouldn't diddle about with his crew. 'I've already got one woman... her name is The Enterprise', remember? And his self-discipline in swallowing his affections for Janice Rand in the name of duty.

Hopefully this will be wiped away when the proper timeline is restored. Plus, at this point he is just an Iowa farmboy... nothing more (I think).
 
at first, I was taken aback by the trailer....

"who is this kid?" and "is this nothing but an action movie??!" raced through my mind

then i watched the trailer 10 more times, and now I can say I'm really excited for it. I'm one to usually be wrong based off my first reaction
 
I don't have any interest in the movie. They should have either done more TNG, or gone to DS9 or just make a new crew up. I don't like it that they are tampering with the TOS crew. They had a nice ending in Star Trek 6 and even Kirk had a great ending in Star Trek Generations

They should have just made a new crew
 
You know Anticitizen, that was all very well thought out. I understood and agree wtih everything you said in your post.

Even still, i'm waiting for the film. There is a sensibility and immediacy with modern cinema that Trek films have lacked. I mean TFF might have a great story like you indicated, but in modern day cinema, execution is half the battle and that film, as close to the spirit of the series as it was, was poorly executed. We can both agree that in teh end that doesnt matter. Don't kid yourself, it does, the effects were bad bad bad, the pacing was off, and the overall look and feel was pretty bad.. or, even worse inconsistent. In order to garner a new audience, a new film had to be made with modern cinema sensibilities in mind, which is why battles camera moves, and one liners are all a part of that.

I mean I can show this trailer to a non-fan and that person might actually end up saying he wants to see it. And I myself got goosebumps from the action and drama on display.
 
I got goosebumps. Just from the shakycam version.

I have to say, the trailer was awesome. Now, the movie may end up as a two hour MTV music video, but that trailer simply blew me away.
 
I really don't think you're the only one that feels this way Anticitizen, I'm mostly right there with you. The trailer feels like your run of the mill Hollywood blockbuster. Take away the uniforms and Spock's pointed ears, I'd never be able to tell it's Star Trek. It looks like it could be a cool action movie though, which I'm sure it's the point.

But it's been a long while since I was really excited about a new Trek thing on screen, big and small, and so far JJ's Trek hasn't be able to make me go WOW I really can't wait to see this! yet. And I'd really like to.

The fact that it's a prequel or a reboot or whatever doesn't help, I wanted new stories, I don't care about more Kirk&Spock. Been there, done that, that's my feeling right now. And that "rebel kid finds his destiny and purpose in life" angle they seem to be aiming at with Kirk? Sooo cliched...
 
cliched.. maybe. but some stories are tried and true and so sound. A lot fo people can relate to them, or at least they find them interesting in a film. If Kirk just said "I want to explore just to,... explore" that would be good for Trek fans but there's little drama in that, but for a 15 to 20-year old girl in the audience watching the trailer for a Star Trek movie, the angle of having him be a bit like james Dean might be the hook that draws her in, and from there, the typical Star Trek themes about exploration and Shields Up can proceed.
 
Then the trailer turns into an extremely quick-cut mess of fighting, monsters, crap blowing up, sex, and out-of-context one-liners.
First off, why are Trekkies so fucking afraid of SEX? Is it because they've never had it, or because they think SEX is a bad, bad thing? If all other movies and TV shows can have SEX as a story forwarding mechanism, why can't Star Trek have so either? I mean in TOS you had Kirk banging any nearby hottie, Spock had a couple of SEX storylines and the hot-babe-of-the-week definitely had lots of SEXy parts of hers being displayed. So why the irrational hatred? :rolleyes:

Next point, the trailer was supposed to excite the audience. You know, that grab the attention of the people in the theatre thing? You conveniently forget to mention how Sarek does a voiceover about Spock being a "child of two worlds" or for Captain Pike lecturing young Kirk about being involved with "something important". And frankly, what do you want Trek to be? A movie where the actors are just sitting around talking about their dilemma's in the Enterprise's bar?

Your thoughts of Angry Spock is also jarring. How can that not be a great storyline?? Here we see Spock making a very illogical decision to join Starfleet in place of having a high position in the Vulcan Science Council. A decision, which is canon, made Spock and Sarek alienated for over a number of years. It not only fleshes out existing canon, it actually adds to it.

Just. Watch. The Damn. Movie. And then make an informed decision whether the final story was good or not.
 
Then the trailer turns into an extremely quick-cut mess of fighting, monsters, crap blowing up, sex, and out-of-context one-liners.
First off, why are Trekkies so fucking afraid of SEX? Is it because they've never had it, or because they think SEX is a bad, bad thing? If all other movies and TV shows can have SEX as a story forwarding mechanism, why can't Star Trek have so either? I mean in TOS you had Kirk banging any nearby hottie, Spock had a couple of SEX storylines and the hot-babe-of-the-week definitely had lots of SEXy parts of hers being displayed. So why the irrational hatred? :rolleyes:

Next point, the trailer was supposed to excite the audience. You know, that grab the attention of the people in the theatre thing? You conveniently forget to mention how Sarek does a voiceover about Spock being a "child of two worlds" or for Captain Pike lecturing young Kirk about being involved with "something important". And frankly, what do you want Trek to be? A movie where the actors are just sitting around talking about their dilemma's in the Enterprise's bar?

Your thoughts of Angry Spock is also jarring. How can that not be a great storyline?? Here we see Spock making a very illogical decision to join Starfleet in place of having a high position in the Vulcan Science Council. A decision, which is canon, made Spock and Sarek alienated for over a number of years. It not only fleshes out existing canon, it actually adds to it.

Just. Watch. The Damn. Movie. And then make an informed decision whether the final story was good or not.


QFT.. except the last part, where you kind of chastise him His opinions were well-formed, and certainly legitimate.
 
Telling him to 'watch. the . Damn. movie." was a bit harsh, particularly for someone who wrote a long thoughtful post and was not simply flying off the handle
 
Then the trailer turns into an extremely quick-cut mess of fighting, monsters, crap blowing up, sex, and out-of-context one-liners.
First off, why are Trekkies so fucking afraid of SEX? Is it because they've never had it, or because they think SEX is a bad, bad thing? If all other movies and TV shows can have SEX as a story forwarding mechanism, why can't Star Trek have so either? I mean in TOS you had Kirk banging any nearby hottie, Spock had a couple of SEX storylines and the hot-babe-of-the-week definitely had lots of SEXy parts of hers being displayed. So why the irrational hatred? :rolleyes:

Next point, the trailer was supposed to excite the audience. You know, that grab the attention of the people in the theatre thing? You conveniently forget to mention how Sarek does a voiceover about Spock being a "child of two worlds" or for Captain Pike lecturing young Kirk about being involved with "something important". And frankly, what do you want Trek to be? A movie where the actors are just sitting around talking about their dilemma's in the Enterprise's bar?

Your thoughts of Angry Spock is also jarring. How can that not be a great storyline?? Here we see Spock making a very illogical decision to join Starfleet in place of having a high position in the Vulcan Science Council. A decision, which is canon, made Spock and Sarek alienated for over a number of years. It not only fleshes out existing canon, it actually adds to it.

Just. Watch. The Damn. Movie. And then make an informed decision whether the final story was good or not.

Amen brother
 
Then the trailer turns into an extremely quick-cut mess of fighting, monsters, crap blowing up, sex, and out-of-context one-liners.
First off, why are Trekkies so fucking afraid of SEX? Is it because they've never had it, or because they think SEX is a bad, bad thing? If all other movies and TV shows can have SEX as a story forwarding mechanism, why can't Star Trek have so either? I mean in TOS you had Kirk banging any nearby hottie, Spock had a couple of SEX storylines and the hot-babe-of-the-week definitely had lots of SEXy parts of hers being displayed. So why the irrational hatred? :rolleyes:

Next point, the trailer was supposed to excite the audience. You know, that grab the attention of the people in the theatre thing? You conveniently forget to mention how Sarek does a voiceover about Spock being a "child of two worlds" or for Captain Pike lecturing young Kirk about being involved with "something important". And frankly, what do you want Trek to be? A movie where the actors are just sitting around talking about their dilemma's in the Enterprise's bar?

Your thoughts of Angry Spock is also jarring. How can that not be a great storyline?? Here we see Spock making a very illogical decision to join Starfleet in place of having a high position in the Vulcan Science Council. A decision, which is canon, made Spock and Sarek alienated for over a number of years. It not only fleshes out existing canon, it actually adds to it.

Just. Watch. The Damn. Movie. And then make an informed decision whether the final story was good or not.

Amen brother

Far better thought out and written than the original post.

And also agreed.
 
Sorry for my longish post first of all. But here we go.

First of all, I didn't like kid-Kirk driving a centuries-old vette (those things are rare enough now in 2008) off a cliff to tense techno-drum music. That's just not something anyone would do.
Of course they wouldn't, because we don't have a centuries old vette in existence.

But if you're point is that no kid would ever steal a car and go on a joy ride? HAHA! Two weeks ago in my town, a high speed chase took place after it was reported that a car was in our that was stolen from a nearby city. Local police spotted the stolen car over here.. a high speed chase took place through our town. They stopped the stolen and pulled it over car over. It was a 12 year old girl in the driver's seat.

Another near by city. An 8 year old hopped in the driver's seat of their mother's car while the mother ran into their house. Crashed the van into some bushes at a nearby Burger King.

So, obviously, kids taking their parents or anyone's car out for a "joy ride" IS happening.

My suspension of disbelief is immediately shattered,
That's pretty trivial I think though.

It just screams too much of something that was intended to be a cool scene rather than a realistic act by a rebellious kid.
Imagine that. But then again, read my above posts.

Also, one of the sillier things about Trek have been all the constant references to the 20th century, from TOS onward. The inclusion of a 20th century car seems to have been made just for the trailer alone - to pull a bait 'n' switch on viewers watching the trailer, and pique their interest when Droid Swat Cop pulls up on his hoverbike, letting you know Things Aren't Quite What You Thought. Anyone seeing the actual movie already of course knows it's a Star Trek movie set in the future.
I haven't said too much if I've liked or something or not about the movie, but IMHO that was probably the most effective way to do it and brilliantly done. The teaser trailer sort of had that too. You didn't know what it was until BANG.

I don't think Roddenberry would've liked his optimistic, evolved society Earth policemen wearing scary-looking cyborg SWAT clothing and speak with gravelly metallic voices. The cop looked like something out of a dystopia, like THX-1138 or Logan's Run.
Why wouldn't Roddenberry like that? Did he specifically say that? And in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter too much?

Then the trailer turns into an extremely quick-cut mess of fighting, monsters, crap blowing up, sex, and out-of-context one-liners.
Ahhh, keeping in spirit with Star Trek trailers that have come before. Nice nod for the fans.

It looks like a visually different movie than its predecessors, but what clips we were shown paint a picture to me that's evocative of the garbage heap which was Nemesis. Space battles against creepy Romulans, even styled after Nosferatu just like in Nemesis.
Whatever floats your boat here.

Here's the problem I've had with the movies as of late: at some point, someone abandoned the original dream and decided Star Trek was all about space battles.
The original dream was $$$$$$$$$$$$. No disrespect for Gene Roddenberry, but I think some people paint WAY too much of a pretty picture of him and the original Star Trek series.

Don't get me wrong, The Wrath of Khan is a near-perfect movie that works on many levels and explores philosophical questions about life, death, and sacrifice.
And how much of that was actually portrayed in its respective trailer? You seem to be comparing a 2 minute trailer to a 90 minute movie. Your expecting way too much from the trailer I think.

But it was the point at which the spirit of the original series started to take a backseat, somewhat, to the 'action' plots.
Possibly, but time evolved. You have to take advantage of the big screen. People don't line up to the movies to see 2 hours of non-stop kick ass philosephy. You get your point across however way you have to.

I think The Final Frontier best invoked the spirit of the orignal series.
Actually, I would go out on a limb and agree with you to an extent as far as the character development goes. I think the movie had some good ideas, but the execution wasn't the best.

I'm probably going to raise some ire here by saying that almost everything about the TNG movies was uninspired crap in terms of plot, and capturing the Trek spirit.
Okay, this is where the limb breaks ;)

I do not want an angsty, angry, violent Spock who's 'torn between two worlds'. Spock,
Too bad we kind of got that in the original series. Spock had to deal with his father while persuing his dream at Starfleet. He had to deal with his Vulcan side but also his human side as well.

along with Kirk and McCoy, served a specific purpose to the show - they each represent a unique and different perspective to whatever philosophical quandries our intrepid ship meets in space: Spock championing logic and reason, McCoy counterweighing with emotion and old-fashioned human values, and Kirk the icon of decision, intuition, and adventurism.
Changing this dynamic takes away what I think is the core of the spirit of the original series.
Okay, so HOW in the world did you get that any of that was changed in the trailer?

I know personal angst is 'in vogue' right now in TV fiction, but it has no place in these characters.
I think you're missing the point here. This is showing them at times when these things WERE happening. Do you honestly think heros were born heros? Sometimes you have to actually climb the mountain to get to the top. In fact, I'd say it makes for more inspiring life stories to see you come from inner conflict to inner resolution, and it seems that the struggles that Kirk and Spock may have to overcome will be the ultimate conflict. You seem to think that this is all these two characters will be portrayed as in the movie. Do you honestly think they will end the movie with Spock swinging at Kirk and Kirk just biting people's heads off? Again, with the painting of the pretty pictures.

Star Trek was about self-improvement and pushing forward for the sake of its own reward. The same goes for Kirk.
So what makes you think that isn't happening with Kirk (and once again with the pretty pictures)? Father was killed, he is slightly rebellious in his childhood but still a genius (as Pike refers to him.) With the encouragement from Pike, he tells the younger Kirk that he can be something bigger. Kirk is showing arriving at the Enterprise to ponder his "better" destiny. He has some bumps along the way surely? Or is he too perfect not to have problems as a kid? Human nature is still going to be what it is regardless.



In fact, I don't want *any* of these characters to be driven by something in their 'dark past'.
So what about Kirk's speech in "The Final Frontier." About how we need our pain because it's what makes us who we are?

To me, even if it isn't following an exact canon, if they do show Kirk having some troubles in his past and his loss from the Kelvin incident (and they will,) it puts that speech from "The Final Frontier" in to perfect context, or at least gives it a new meaning now that we know what he meant. Anyone else think so?

I want the gung-ho, we-can-do-it, golly heck, what new thing are we gonna find out there on the final frontier?
So, you want everything to be perfect? My suspension of disbelief would be gone in no time.

Oh, and speaking of time travel, it's DEFINITELY been done to death already in this franchise. And they're doing it again.
Major spoiler people! Watch out!

-Kirk gettin' jiggy with Uhura? Nuh-uh. No. Just no. Green-skinned aliens are okay, but Jim Kirk wouldn't diddle about with his crew.
What if she isn't part of the crew yet?

But since Kirk is so perfect, how much did Kirk ever check up on his bastard son? Anyone?

-I didn't catch a trace of the good Country Doctor's drawl in McCoy.
I caught some if it personally, but then it's hard to tell over dramatic music and everything happening so fast.

Ironical sarcastic remarks like that are something else that's 'in vogue' right now and will probably not age well.
Scotty was being sarcastic? Huh???? How did you get that? I think you're getting into over analytical territory now. An ironic sarcastic remark is Dr. McCoy saying "This is fun" when the ship was getting rocked about during "The Undiscovered Country." Or was that a result of Gene's vision for the future and Star Trek was all about Dr. McCoy being sarcastic?

-Kirk's bike looks VERY contemporary for 2008. Is it a centuries-old antique too? It has an incandescent headlamp which is something we're already starting to phase out now. Just something else that will not age well, and date the film.
Okay.. definite overdrive on the over analysis. It's sort of like you're looking for things to criticise at this point in all honesty. You think the film is going to be outdated because of a headlamp that you can barely see on the bike? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. By some of your logic, the past Star Trek you've praised is actually very outdated too.

Anyway... am I alone in all of this?
Based on some of what you said, I'm going to guess this might be the case.

I've only heard one or two other people say they didn't like it which really surprised me. Can those of you who did like it at the very least relate to the reasons I didn't?
I think you're taking so little and being way over analytical personally, just looking for things to analyze which is why you can't enjoy it. I mean, a lightbulb you can barely see? Really? That will hinder your enjoyment of a movie? With all due respect, that's just a little ridiculous I think. If I wanted to, I could start doing that about all the other Star Trek movie trailers and make them out to be something they aren't just based on so little seen.

All that said, I do hope it turns out to be a very good Star Trek film, and I will be seeing it regardless.
Same here!
 
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And on a side note, I wish people would stop invoking people long dead and mention how they would be horrified by this and that in order to give extra gravity and legitimacy to their posts and opinions.
 
So I just saw the new Watchmen trailer and it looks to be a fuckin awesome movie with alot of great thought provoking points to the story.

As an outside fan I take a look at some of the fan-boards and read the "Hardcore" fans reactions to the movie and they are nitpicking the smallest most meaningless details and already condemning THAT movie as a heaping pile of trash. :lol: Sounds familiar.

Based on the Hardcore-Non-fan's reactions Trek XI is going to kickass.
 
I hear ya. I too could not care less about changes in design or violations to the fictitious "Star Trek canon" - this is not the heart of it. However, for the past decade there has been a continuous attempt to change that very heart to something the new mainstream will like - out of the desire to make Trek something "liked by the masses" again, rather than a niche phenomenon "only" inspiring the geek crowd.

While it stands to reason that Trek has always had that very "quest for knowledge and exploration" at its heart, I have to concede that it is indeed the times that have changed and thus, Trek slipped more and more into niche. The time we live in is indeed more "visceral and emotional" than ever before, so it is understandable the logical decision for those who regard Trek as a business is: "make it visceral and emotional". This change in attitude is not restricted to Trek, nor science fiction. Just look at the stuff produced in the 1950s and 1960s. Many movies - including those intended for the big screen - used to be more talky, top-headed, analytical, the visuals more static, more grounded in classic painting and photography than anything else, and by no means at the fore-front of storytelling. One might argue that the infancy of movie-making technology (especially visual effects) forced directors to focus on layered story-telling, a more literary approach. Allowing movies like "Forbidden Planet" or "The Time Machine" to ever hit the theatres, and even be successes. Could you imagine such movies being successes today? Of course not. Today's generation, and thus, movie-making, is hugely influenced by the non-linear nature of the internet, the pace of music videos and visual overexposure of computer games, and I think the profoundness of this impact can only be underestimated.

Thus, i can never agree with, but fully understand that the original Trek show is judged merely by its "crappy visuals" (even though those were never the point of the show), and the ongoing push for "change" and "updating" for Trek that has now found its end with this completely renewed "Trek". The only remaining irony: the show that was once axed for being "too cerebral" now stands, together with its era, as a fine example for a deeper kind of entertainment that has since been washed away by a generation that cares more about surface and emotion rather than a spiritual approach to the wonders of life.
 
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