Am I alone in preferring the odd numbered TOS films?
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3 had the disadvantage of being the "middle" movie in a sort of trilogy, but it's still fun to watch.
TMP has extremely passionate fans who enjoy every Hai Karate scented unnatural-fiber covered bulging pelvis in the film, so I'll just say, it that it has its moments.
5 again had to start over after the previous 3 film arc. But that doesn't justify it being a really bad film (yes, there are going to be people who like TFF too, but in my mind they are contrarians who will also argue that Plan 9 From Outer Space is a good movie, also, just to be the lone voice in the wilderness)
I don't think odd numbers have anything to do with it. It just worked out that way.
TMP has extremely passionate fans who enjoy every Hai Karate scented unnatural-fiber covered bulging pelvis in the film, so I'll just say, it that it has its moments.
5 again had to start over after the previous 3 film arc. But that doesn't justify it being a really bad film (yes, there are going to be people who like TFF too, but in my mind they are contrarians who will also argue that Plan 9 From Outer Space is a good movie, also, just to be the lone voice in the wilderness)
I don't think odd numbers have anything to do with it. It just worked out that way.
Final Frontier has a better script and story than VI and does more world-building than II, IV or VI. It’s visually better directed than VI, but is basically let down by anything that actually cost money, but what money there was was front loaded at the beginning of the film. It also has a better supporting cast, and the second tier TOS cast got more limelight than in VI, with the exception of Sulu, who got a nice cup of tea and a different chair.
Shatner actually knows more about framing a scene than Nimoy by the looks of things, which is surprising given how much success Nimoy has in that arena, but not that surprising when you consider how long Shatner has been in the game and how prolific he is. He’s also had the strongest non-Trek career of any of the original cast as far as acting roles, but the trend is always to gently bash Shatner. I would even say Shatner did more in his fifteen minutes in generations than Nimoy did in Unification I&II by simply getting a horse to walk sideways, and probably put more effort in. But maybe that’s unfair, as one was a feature film that put Shatner and Stewart on Times front cover, and Unification was essentially promo work for Star Trek VI.
Plan 9? It’s a mid tier fifties b movie. And as dull as that suggests.
That's what the "even/odd" thing is...nonsense.
Besides, as everyone knows, all generalities are untrue.
Besides, as everyone knows, all generalities are untrue.
Nemesis kind of throws a huge spanner in the works when it comes to odd v. even.
I'm enjoying the love TMP is getting here, it gets shat on all the time among people I know but it presents space with a grandeur that the other films don't. I will say that TMP is kind of a lesser Solaris, but it is good and it's a bit daft to compare a Tarkovsky to a popcorn flick
I'm enjoying the love TMP is getting here, it gets shat on all the time among people I know but it presents space with a grandeur that the other films don't. I will say that TMP is kind of a lesser Solaris, but it is good and it's a bit daft to compare a Tarkovsky to a popcorn flick
Your head must be an... Interesting place.
It is two very different things to say something is a "good movie" and something is a "likable movie."
For me, TFF is an extremely LIKABLE movie. That said, I have no illusions about it being a really "good" movie.
By how I operate, one is in no way linked to the other. There are plenty of "good movies" that I can't stand as well.
I think not.
It's funny how diverse even Trekkies are. TMP is the best movie, it's a piece of garbage. TUC was the best movie ever made...it's mediocre and so on.
Not to sound Pollyannaish but I really did like all 13 films at least to some degree. TFF is number 13 on my list but it still has good moments and I still watch it from time to time. TMP is my favorite...it made me a Trekkie when I watched it on VHS just before TVH came out. TWOK is a great film, IMHO. TSFS had great moments too.
TVH is good fun. It's a good pressure release film after TWOK and TSFS. I liked the 4 TNG films as well, with FC easily being my favorite, and one of my top 3 Star Trek films overall. I loved the Borg and how they were portrayed there. Insurrection was a let down--it should have tied into the Dominion War somehow. It's ok, but could have been better. And I always joke I'm one of the 10 people that liked Nemesis.
And I liked the 3 Abrams films with Beyond probably being my favorite, if for no other reason that Earth is barely even mentioned. It was nice to finally go somewhere else for a change.
Not to sound Pollyannaish but I really did like all 13 films at least to some degree. TFF is number 13 on my list but it still has good moments and I still watch it from time to time. TMP is my favorite...it made me a Trekkie when I watched it on VHS just before TVH came out. TWOK is a great film, IMHO. TSFS had great moments too.
TVH is good fun. It's a good pressure release film after TWOK and TSFS. I liked the 4 TNG films as well, with FC easily being my favorite, and one of my top 3 Star Trek films overall. I loved the Borg and how they were portrayed there. Insurrection was a let down--it should have tied into the Dominion War somehow. It's ok, but could have been better. And I always joke I'm one of the 10 people that liked Nemesis.
And I liked the 3 Abrams films with Beyond probably being my favorite, if for no other reason that Earth is barely even mentioned. It was nice to finally go somewhere else for a change.
Neither do I. Jostling for top spot with TWoK for me.
Your head must be an... Interesting place.
I like pseudo-intellectualism, I like action and fun.
Agree. My two favorite ST films are odd numbered TMP and even numbered STID too. They are so entertainingly different, but are still both Trek at it's best.
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For some reason I think the humor in V works better than IV, IV feels a lot more desperate for laughs, forced and cheap included, maybe because it was such a complete reversal of the past two films.
But I do consider III pretty lowly, a big step down from II despite a few moments, and I'm not sure why III and IV aren't considered pretty equivalent, for their differences I think they have much more in common in that they mostly undid their predecessors.
But I do consider III pretty lowly, a big step down from II despite a few moments, and I'm not sure why III and IV aren't considered pretty equivalent, for their differences I think they have much more in common in that they mostly undid their predecessors.
Good post. You are not alone, but most definitely in the minority.
Though I think TSFS is a good film that gets unfairly dinged for Kirstie Alley's absence.
TMP has it's good points and I can see why some would prefer it over TVH, which could be a bit too campy for some.
But you are not going to have much company on TFF despite some nice moments.
I think it is fair to say that 90% of fans would have TWOK (despite the Checkov & missing planet gaffes) & TUC both in their top three of the six TOS movies, with most having them in the top 2 spots.
The #3 spot would be closer. TFF would be bottom.
I think tiers is the best way to look at it, and the consensus view is:
Tier 1 = Excellent = TWOK, TUC (FC)
Tier 2 = Good = TMP, TSFS, TVH (Gen)
Tier 3 = Poor = TFF (Nem)
I would put Insurrection in Tier 2, but I am in the minority there.
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