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Alternative character interpretations

Deranged Nasat

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Having been restored to my non-drunken, reasonably coherent norms, I've been thinking over something I posted some days ago. It was in the "Dumb and Bizarre" thread, but was somewhat shoe-horned in, because as I acknowledged it was not truly "dumb". It was a character who was interpreted very differently from one novel to another (and these were unrelated novels from different series), with the second interpretation throwing me off in part due to my fascination with the first.

I wrote:

"For me - and this isn't really fair to the author because he wasn't held to anyone else's interpretations and his style is his own- it was the portrayal of Enabran Tain in "Oblivion". Overall I liked the "Stargazer" series- it was a nice change of pace, had a unique style and while it would never be anywhere near the top of my favourites list, it was perfectly enjoyable in a light-hearted way. But having read "A Stitch in Time" and having loved it intensely (it's my favourite novel, Trek or otherwise), I just couldn't accept Tain as he appeared in "Oblivion". He was just a thuggish, selfish bad guy. He was intelligent of course, but compared to the complicated, almost utterly selfless, unintentionally twisted dark philosopher of "A Stitch in Time" he was crushingly disappointing. Not that "Oblivion's" portrayal of the secretpoliceman is flawed, but this isn't any old (or young ;)) secretpoliceman, this is Tain. This isn't the usual police state, either- this is Cardassia. Between "Oblivion" Tain and "We are the night people" Tain, there's no contest; the latter wins. I'm glad "The Art of the Impossible" contradicts Tain in "Oblivion", forcing me to pretend it's a different "Enabran Tain" if I'm to retain continuity. Maybe that's the Cardie equivalent of "John Smith"? Who knows if it's even his real name? :p Again, it's not that "Oblivion's" interpretation is a problem in itself or in relation to the TV show for that matter, but having read "A Stitch in Time" I couldn't help but personally scream "Wrong!!" at this Tain. :lol: So, somewhat unfair and personal, but there we are".

Seeing as this didn't quite fit the thread, I've promoted it to its own. :lol:. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced something similiar in regards to a character- either simply two different interpretations of which they strongly prefer one, or a second interpretation that they have difficulty accepting due to their attachment to the first.
 
The first that comes to mind is Diane Carey's George Kirk and William Shatner's Joseph Kirk. But although I prefer Carey's version I didn't dislike the Shat's at all. In fact, reading the different versions of the character (and there have been at least a half-dozen over the years, starting with Gold Key comics' Colonel Benjamin Kirk) has been very enjoyable. I actually started a thread ages ago to list them all.

I'm a fan of Diane Duane's Rihannsu series. A few years ago the Romulan origin story was reinterpreted in the Vulcan's Soul trilogy. Although I've heard nothing bad about the VS books, I'm hesitant to pick them up because I don't think the story needs retelling just to cram in a bunch of Vampiric mutant offshoots and swap a lush green planet with an ugly black rock. I'm sure there's more to the trilogy than that, but I just don't feel any urge to read it. So I guess my liking for one has prevented me from even reading the other.

Not quite what you wanted, but the closest I can think of.
 
A few years ago the Romulan origin story was reinterpreted in the Vulcan's Soul trilogy. Although I've heard nothing bad about the VS books, I'm hesitant to pick them up because I don't think the story needs retelling just to cram in a bunch of Vampiric mutant offshoots and swap a lush green planet with an ugly black rock. I'm sure there's more to the trilogy than that, but I just don't feel any urge to read it.

There is more to it than that, since it was conceived and outlined before Nemesis came out, and had to be delayed and revised to be consistent with the new information from NEM. There really isn't much of anything in it about Remans until the end of book 2. It's mostly about Surak and the Romulan exodus and settlement in the flashback portions, and the present-day portions are about the Romulans' problems with another race called the Watraii.

Although it changed editors between books 1 and 2, and there's a change of approach evident as well; book 1 pretty much disregards The Romulan Way and conflicts with that book's version of Surak's role in the Sundering (TRW has him opposing it, VS has him helping to bring it about), but book 2 is a very faithful expansion of TRW's tale of the exiles' journey from Vulcan to Romulus.
 
A few years ago the Romulan origin story was reinterpreted in the Vulcan's Soul trilogy. Although I've heard nothing bad about the VS books, I'm hesitant to pick them up because I don't think the story needs retelling just to cram in a bunch of Vampiric mutant offshoots and swap a lush green planet with an ugly black rock. I'm sure there's more to the trilogy than that, but I just don't feel any urge to read it.

There is more to it than that, since it was conceived and outlined before Nemesis came out, and had to be delayed and revised to be consistent with the new information from NEM. There really isn't much of anything in it about Remans until the end of book 2. It's mostly about Surak and the Romulan exodus and settlement in the flashback portions, and the present-day portions are about the Romulans' problems with another race called the Watraii.

Although it changed editors between books 1 and 2, and there's a change of approach evident as well; book 1 pretty much disregards The Romulan Way and conflicts with that book's version of Surak's role in the Sundering (TRW has him opposing it, VS has him helping to bring it about), but book 2 is a very faithful expansion of TRW's tale of the exiles' journey from Vulcan to Romulus.
Can't the differences with Surak be chalked up to different viewpoints from different people? After all, history is written by the victors, but rival houses might portray things in different lights to get the desired outcome.
 
That's pretty much the approach I took. I like the Rihannsu story as is, but I didn't have any problem with the trilogy.
 
Although I've heard nothing bad about the VS books, I'm hesitant to pick them up because I don't think the story needs retelling just to cram in a bunch of Vampiric mutant offshoots and swap a lush green planet with an ugly black rock. I'm sure there's more to the trilogy than that, but I just don't feel any urge to read it. So I guess my liking for one has prevented me from even reading the other.

Well, this explains that really random T'Pol flashback chapter in Kobiyashi Maru.
 
Although I've heard nothing bad about the VS books, I'm hesitant to pick them up because I don't think the story needs retelling just to cram in a bunch of Vampiric mutant offshoots and swap a lush green planet with an ugly black rock. I'm sure there's more to the trilogy than that, but I just don't feel any urge to read it. So I guess my liking for one has prevented me from even reading the other.

Well, this explains that really random T'Pol flashback chapter in Kobiyashi Maru.

:lol: Vulcans do make a habit of producing vampiric mutants, don't they?
 
All this Vulcan talk reminded me of another character who has had multiple interpretations, T'Pau. Haven't there been two or three different versions of her now?
 
All this Vulcan talk reminded me of another character who has had multiple interpretations, T'Pau. Haven't there been two or three different versions of her now?

At least on television, there have been two versions: Young T'Pau in Enterprise and Old T'Pau in TOS. Honestly, although I understand that most people would not look or act very much the same with 100-some-odd years differences in age, I still can not accept that those two were supposed to be the same character. They looked nothing alike and really acted like two entirely different personalities.

I realize there's only so much you can do trying to come up with the same character played in a TV show made 40 years ago, but still, Young T'Pau has always seem to me to be a bit of real mis-casting.
 
I realize there's only so much you can do trying to come up with the same character played in a TV show made 40 years ago, but still, Young T'Pau has always seem to me to be a bit of real mis-casting.

Although Kara Zediker seems to make a habit of playing younger versions of pre-existing characters. In addition to T'Pau, she played the younger version of the Halliwell sisters' grandmother on Charmed and the slightly younger (or simply recast) version of Hercules' second wife Serena on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

As for the two T'Pau actresses not looking much alike, neither did Glenn Corbett and James Cromwell. That's just the way recasting goes. The thing that bugs me is the younger T'Pau's lack of an accent.
 
All this Vulcan talk reminded me of another character who has had multiple interpretations, T'Pau. Haven't there been two or three different versions of her now?
I really didn't buy the T'Pau of the first story in The Lives Of Dax anthology. She was very open-minded, serene, friendly to members of other species, and nothing like T'Pau from Amok Time. Besides, it seemed like a really bad case of small universe syndrome. It could have been any other Vulcan - and it would have worked much better if it had been some other Vulcan.
 
Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath's Star Trek books (Triangle, Prometheus Design, Phoenix) portray Kirk and Spock as being strongly attracted to one another. Their every action and thought involves the other in some way.
Killing Time by Della Van Hise was the same way and even had Spock dive on Kirk and force a mind-meld on him in the ships' botanical gardens.

Kirk and Spock are not gay for each other.

In fact I think this whole K/S thing is too bizarre to count as a valid "alternative character interpretation". It's more like "pathetic fan wish fulfilment".
 
Another double post :rolleyes:

Is there any way to just delete a damn double post rather than having to apologize again and again?
 
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In fact I think this whole K/S thing is too bizarre to count as a valid "alternative character interpretation". It's more like "pathetic fan wish fulfilment".

There's been a lot of interesting academic writing on the original slash phenomenon by Camille Bacon-Smith, Henry Jenkins, Constance Penley, etc. It's a very different phenomenon now, but in the 1970s, slash was a pretty underground thing, written by and for straight middle-aged women. Bacon-Smith made the case that, in a time when women's rights were a fringe concern, slash was one of the few ways women had to model ideal romantic relationships between equal partners.

For some fans, though, it was probably the equivalent of guys watching lesbian-themed porn, just a style of entertaining smut. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it doesn't really fit in the licensed novels.
 
Another double post :rolleyes:

Is there any way to just delete a damn double post rather than having to apologize again and again?

Sure. IIRC you have to use the edit button, then use Go Advanced and their should be a delete option (above the editing window I think).

I think there's a time limitation, though, so I don't think you would be able to use it on the post above anymore.
 
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