Alternate timeline effects
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No Talos IV experience
Kirk has no previous experience with the Vampire Cloud (or any other experience for that matter)
People are pretty open about Romulans, so evidently something changed in the Romulan experience
A Klingon Neutral Zone already exists, which implies someone else wrestled with the Klingons near Organia, or that the two sides reached some agreement on their own.
Rob+
Kirk has no previous experience with the Vampire Cloud (or any other experience for that matter)
People are pretty open about Romulans, so evidently something changed in the Romulan experience
A Klingon Neutral Zone already exists, which implies someone else wrestled with the Klingons near Organia, or that the two sides reached some agreement on their own.
Rob+
Nothing needs to be gone. It's just in a different alternate reality.
At some unknown point, one reality branched off and created the mirror universe. Our timeline wasn't erased by that, it just continued next door. Same story here.
At some unknown point, one reality branched off and created the mirror universe. Our timeline wasn't erased by that, it just continued next door. Same story here.
The Klingon Neutral Zone was a result of the Organian Peace Treaty? Are you sure about that? In the Star Trek II version of the Kobyashi Maru, the Klingon Neutral Zone is referenced just like in this movie. I always assumed that it had been established long before that as a result of mounting tensions between the Federation and the Empire (post Enterprise events).
Here's my 10 million dollar alternate-universe-continuity change question:
Do the Klingons have forhead ridges in nuTrek?
Discuss.
Do the Klingons have forhead ridges in nuTrek?
Discuss.
Kirk born in space instead of Iowa.
Kirk never knows his father.
Pike is first Captain of USS Enterprise.
Kirk never serves aboard the USS Farragut.
Kirk takes command of the Enterprise earlier in 2555 instead of 2266.
Vulcan is gone and Vulcans are now an endangered species.
The Kobyashi Maru test involves Klingons instead of Romulans.
Spock's mother, Amanda Grayson dies much earlier.
Pike becomes an Admiral.
No Vulcan means no Red Matter to counter the Hobus supernova, therefore not only is Romulus destroyed again, but the rest of the Quadrant is doomed by the Hobus supernova as well.
Spock probably stays dead after STII events.
Kirk never knows his father.
Pike is first Captain of USS Enterprise.
Kirk never serves aboard the USS Farragut.
Kirk takes command of the Enterprise earlier in 2555 instead of 2266.
Vulcan is gone and Vulcans are now an endangered species.
The Kobyashi Maru test involves Klingons instead of Romulans.
Spock's mother, Amanda Grayson dies much earlier.
Pike becomes an Admiral.
No Vulcan means no Red Matter to counter the Hobus supernova, therefore not only is Romulus destroyed again, but the rest of the Quadrant is doomed by the Hobus supernova as well.
Spock probably stays dead after STII events.
In cut footage they wore helmets which had ridges on the forehead, so probably yes.
Thats if they even find the SS Botany Bay and its not left in space unfound
I'm glad someone said it! If you read the negative posts on the movie discussion thread, they think all previous Canon Trek has been erased, it hasn't! NuTrek is an alternate reality created by events in ClassicTrek. We have seen alternate realities with differences to "our timeline/reality" before in Classic Trek. For example, VOY's "The Year of Hell" where Voyager herself was destroyed and TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" where Tasha Yar is still living and the Federation is at war with the Klingons. Other realities were seen in ClassicTrek as well, most notably The Mirror Universe which had a continuing history independent of our universe.
The Kobyashi Maru test involved Klingons in TWOK. Someone else will probably discover Red Matter. Captain Robert April's name has never been mentioned in any canon Star Trek. All we know from canon Trek is that Pike commanded the Enterprise for 11 years before Kirk. I've always been dubious about Captain April's existence anyway.
I guess the appearance of the ginormous Narada battleship forced the Klingons to get it together and cure the Augment virus so that they could look more badass if they had to confront the ship in battle. (Insert your favorite labored canon explanation for why they have have ridges in this timeline.)
You're postulating the NuTrek erases events in ClassicTrek. I think this is a mistake. What I meant about Spock staying dead was that his katra had to be removed from McCoy and they had to go to Vulcan to perform the ceremony. With Vulcan gone, they can't do that and wouldn't be able to perform the ritual unless the High Priestess was one of the surviving Vulcans.
You're assuming the nuEnterprise finds Khan and Spock dies saving the Enterprise in the Mutara Nebula. That, now, is a big assumption
Indeed it is a big assumption, Im not saying anything was erased, just that as we know this time line is different.
Picard should have an oranje-yard, instead of a vine-yard. 
Picard should have an oranje-yard, instead of a vine-yard.
Or maybe he is now born and raised in England. And his family is in the tea business
And he would order a cup of synthehol wine instead of Earl Grey from the replicator.
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