I disagree. Each of us is the lead character in our own story, but that's quite different.
Alley on not doing Trek III
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It all depends on the perspective. You view yourself as the hero of your story, as whatever you do, it is for your own benefit, regardless of the consequences to others. Someone else may see you as being self-centered, if not actually villainous, for the same actions. Only selfless actions on your part will see most other people viewing you as much of a hero, while you may see it as sacrificing your own happiness for altruistic reasons, which still paints you as the hero in your life, by your perspective.
If this was her best, I'd hate to see her worst.
That's my point though...that's not what a hero is. It's pretty much the opposite.
And MY point is, it's all about perspective. That may not be what a hero is, objectively, but we all view ourselves as the hero of our own narrative, because it's OUR narrative. Very subjectively.
Saavik as a Romulan sleeper agent of some sort, trying to destabilize the Federation into a war with the Klingons? NICE.
I don't, therefore not everyone does.
When I first read this, I thought I must have missed something nasty going on out of camera range — till I realized you meant Vulcan hand holding.
Hero can mean different things to different people. Sometimes it could mean being altruistic and thinking about others if it gives back a sense of meaning and worth. There's no getting around that everyone is the protagonist of their own story. That's what having a sense of individual identity means, to sense the flow of time, and to make life-choices. That's also, arguably, what the draw is of consuming stories. It's like being a back-seat driver to someone else's life story.
Curtis was a completely different character than the Saavik I watched from II; Nimoy should've given her another name.When I first read this, I thought I must have missed something nasty going on out of camera range — till I realized you meant Vulcan hand holding.
I think Alley would have went a long way to pushing Trek 3 up a bit. I want to point out that I love Trek 3, but I think a little bit more of a connection to part 2 through Alley would have been welcome.
Also, in regards to what Terok Nor said about keeping new characters around, I always thought it would have been neat to see Gillian Taylor return in Star Trek V and get swept up in the action too. As much as I like Trek V, I kind of feel it exists in a vacuum among the other films.
Also, in regards to what Terok Nor said about keeping new characters around, I always thought it would have been neat to see Gillian Taylor return in Star Trek V and get swept up in the action too. As much as I like Trek V, I kind of feel it exists in a vacuum among the other films.
I don't see myself as the hero of my narrative. I'm more like the comedy relief guy that gets crapped on so the rest get a good laugh.
See, I find Kirk, Spock, and McCoy more interesting when they are interacting with other characters outside the triumvirate, whether that is one of wider recurring cast or new characters. Further, I perceive Gillian as a worthwhile and entertaining character who could operate as the Everyman and give women everywhere an opportunity to empathise with a woman who wishes the men in her life would rather not be off on a jolly in space. Gillian's presence on the camping trip would not have diluted the male bonding (although it would have diluted the cheese) and might have drawn in more of a female audience. Realistically though, a brief scene like Curtis got in STIV might have been beneath Hicks and dragging her to the Planet of Galactic Peace might have been a real stretch.
I do not understand all the intricacies of Vulcan culture, but could Saavik have chosen to undergo the kolinahr in the time between TWOK and TSFS, which could have lead to the loss of the 'warmer', more emotional aspects of her behavior in the later movie? I am not claiming that this idea was the actual reason for the personality change seen onscreen, but would this after-the-fact explanation violate any in-Universe Trek?
Maybe Alley's "Dr" Spock tweet was a Freudian slip.
I thought Alley almost stole the show in TWOK. Alley gave the standout performance among the actors who were not named Shatner, Nimoy, or Montalban.
I can see why Nimoy chose Curtis over Alley for the movies beyond TWOK, if indeed he was seeking an actress who would give a rigid, no-nonsense interpretation of a Vulcan.
I thought it was ironic that it was Alley's Saavik who said of Kirk, "He's never what I expect... He's so human." When I first saw the movie TWOK, what I found so intriguing about the Saavik character (besides her good looks) was how human she behaved for a Vulcan. I didn't expect that.
It was too bad that Alley wasn't part of the cast in any of the other movies.
I, too, wish Kirstie Alley remained. I totally liked her half-Romulan character and the humor they worked into it.
Sometimes, it seems, that when a show gets a guest star for a more minor role than the stars, but becomes a well-liked phenomenon, it upstages the stars... and the phenomenon disappears. Maybe it's because they are scooped up for bigger roles, maybe it would distract from the show's premise, or maybe it's because of hurt egos. One character phenomenon that didn't disappear is Happy Days' Fonz, and he became so popular and overwhelming that he jumped the shark.
Sometimes, it seems, that when a show gets a guest star for a more minor role than the stars, but becomes a well-liked phenomenon, it upstages the stars... and the phenomenon disappears. Maybe it's because they are scooped up for bigger roles, maybe it would distract from the show's premise, or maybe it's because of hurt egos. One character phenomenon that didn't disappear is Happy Days' Fonz, and he became so popular and overwhelming that he jumped the shark.
See the two issues (#7 & 8) of the first series of DC Comics' post-ST II storyline that lead into their ST III adaptation. An Alley-style Saavik goes through pon farr (she was betrothed to Xon of "Phase II", who is working undercover in the Romulan Neutral Zone!) and her eyebrows begin a gradual slanted angle throughout the issues. For ST III's comic, she resembles Robin Curtis, then for the rest of her run in the comics (until departing in the ST IV adaptation), she reverts to the Alley hairstyle but the slanted eyebrows remain.
I would love it if they brought back Valeris for the new series. Kim Cattrall is presently working on a TV series in Toronto, so I could see her making a few guest appearances. As for Saavik, I still think it was a huge shame that she didn't appear in Trek III. They should have had Curtis play a different Vulcan character.