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They didn't say sex was involved with the ceremony. It's a polygamy/polyandry type of relationship.
I don't recall saying you couldn't. I was just pointing out that there are no details about the ceremony, the relationship or the number or sexes involved, just the number of people involved. Therefore the number of Andorian sexes is not canon.The Wormhole said:
"Andorian marriages require groups of four"
Data's observation would seem to pertain to the marriage requiring four, not the wedding ceremony.
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Marriage is also a ceremony. So Data could have been referring to the ceremony as well as the "relationship"."Andorian marriages require groups of four"
Data's observation would seem to pertain to the marriage requiring four, not the wedding ceremony.
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It's worth mentioning that several tidbits originating in the novels have made their way into TV/film Trek over the years...
*Sulu's first name Hikaru
*Uhura's first name Nyota
*The names of James Kirk's parents, George and Winona
*George Kirk being a Starfleet officer, and first officer of a starship
*Various tidbits from the novels Mosaic and Pathways, about the Voyager crew
*The Vanguard station design, seen in TOS-R "The Ultimate Computer"
*Much of the Vulcan lore seen in Enterprise's final season and in STXI
(also, characters and many bits of Trek novelverse lore have been used in the Star Trek Online videogame, unofficially an "alternate reality" to the novelverse hinted at in the STO novel "The Needs of the Many")
As a longtime reader of Trek, I think that's pretty cool.
*Sulu's first name Hikaru
*Uhura's first name Nyota
*The names of James Kirk's parents, George and Winona
*George Kirk being a Starfleet officer, and first officer of a starship
*Various tidbits from the novels Mosaic and Pathways, about the Voyager crew
*The Vanguard station design, seen in TOS-R "The Ultimate Computer"
*Much of the Vulcan lore seen in Enterprise's final season and in STXI
(also, characters and many bits of Trek novelverse lore have been used in the Star Trek Online videogame, unofficially an "alternate reality" to the novelverse hinted at in the STO novel "The Needs of the Many")
As a longtime reader of Trek, I think that's pretty cool.
That's a bad thing?
Until its said otherwise, I'll assume the the Andorians have four sexes, all of which are needed for marriage and conception though not for family life.
To this day I personally prefer the "original" early 1970's fan created first name for Uhura of Penda. My big trekkie parents had Penda on the short list for names for one of my sisters.
Different novels had different occupations for Kirk's father, including a Iowa politician.
One of the great things about the early novels is that the authors were allowed to do a lot of individual universe building with their Star Trek novels, and took them in some really unique directions. They weren't held to a single novel continuity.
Sadly this has been lost with the current novels, since the "re-launch" they're in a single controlled continuity. One of the reasons I stopped reading them.
That's sweet
FWIW, back when Uhura was Penda, George Takei was telling convention-goers that Sulu's first name was Walter! IIRC, both Nyota and Hikaru had to be okay'd by the actors before being allowed in the novels (which IIRC were "The Entropy Effect" for Hikaru and "Star Trek II Biographies" which gave Uhura an interesting backstory and lost love.)
Yep. The writers of Star Trek are on record that they based their version of George Kirk on Diane Carey's (the most prevelent one in the novels), who was security chief of Starbase 2 and temporarily promoted to first officer of the as-yet-unnamed Enterprise under Captain April in Final Frontier.
As well as the racist politician (part of the Terra Prime-like Keep Earth Human League), Kirk's father has also been a bitter redshirt (Shatner's Joseph Kirk, supposedly based on his RL father) and in ancient comics, Colonel Ben Kirk, who died heroically fighting Klingons.
You'd be suprised how much of those old authors' versions of Trek are tied into the current shared universe.One of the great things about the early novels is that the authors were allowed to do a lot of individual universe building with their Star trek novels, and took them in some really unique directions. They weren't held to a single novel continuity.
Sadly this has been lost with the current novels since the "re-launch." One of the reasons I stopped reading them.
It doesn't necessarily have to conform to canon in exactly every way, but it should not veer off in wild, crazy ways with events that could not have happened, or characters that say/do things that are against established traits. For example: How do you resolve the discrepancy between Archer and Robert April both being the FIRST captain of the Enterprise?
The JJverse insults the viewers' intelligence in so many ways...
Why not - Mark Andrew Golding did. He wrote a series of essays for Trek, explaining just how many different universes the TOS episodes exist in, based on the inconsistencies he found. And that's just in ONE of the Trek series (at the time he wrote the essays, TNG hadn't even been thought of).
Easy, Archer and April commanded different ships named Enterprise. One was an Earth ship from 2151, the other a Federation ship from 2245.
Does the title of "first captain" really make a difference in any story being told? It's a meaningless detail. A difference that makes no difference...
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It revived the franchise and its less preachy then much of Trek.
I am not Golding.
Isn't that just another way of saying "it never takes a moral stand?" Kirk fires into a defenseless ship in the process of being crushed, how cool of him. In ST Three, Kirk kicks Kruge in the face sending him to his death, because Kruge was trying to drag him over a cliff. Kirk fires on Chang because Chang is actively shooting at him, and preventing Kirk from stopping an assassination.
It insults the movie goers intelligence that James T. Kirk would shoot at a defenseless opponent. Why, because powerless Nero was mouthing off to Kirk over the comm?
The action made the Hero look dangerously capricious.
Because last time someone rammed and crippled Nero's ship, he came back and exterminated the Vulcans?
And despite that, he still offered to accept Nero's surrender and beam his crew on board.
They commanded two different ships. And while April is the first captain of the Enterprise 1701, we've known since TMP that he couldn't have been the first captain of any starship named Enterprise, given the ringship's existence.
And when Nero turned Kirk down and smarted off to him, Kirk next move was to "fire everything we got.
The red matter didn't damage Nero ship, it was destroying it. This wasn't a case of the ship journeying through a blackhole to another time and place, it was actively being consumed by the blackhole.
There was no reason for Kirk to fire on the Narada, other than to have the Enterprise fire it's weapons on screen. This is what is insulting to the audience. Hey, people like watching guns being fired.
Inside of the storyline, the weapons fire made no sense.
Why did Kirk fire?
It's also far less intelligent and respectful than much of Trek.
Obviously. And neither am I. I'm just saying that he's someone who went to the trouble to dig out as many inconsistencies as he possibly could and figure out how they could all exist in the same universe. He reasoned that they couldn't; therefore, some TOS episodes occurred in alternate universes.
WTF is the "ringship"?
And when Nero turned Kirk down and smarted off to him, Kirk next move was to "fire everything we got.
The red matter didn't damage Nero ship, it was destroying it. This wasn't a case of the ship journeying through a blackhole to another time and place, it was actively being consumed by the blackhole.
There was no reason for Kirk to fire on the Narada, other than to have the Enterprise fire it's weapons on screen. This is what is insulting to the audience. Hey, people like watching guns being fired.
Inside of the storyline, the weapons fire made no sense.
Why did Kirk fire?
Why did he and Sulu continue firing on Chang in The Undiscovered Country? Kirk continues to fire on the Narada because who knows what kind of hell Nero could whip up somewhere else in the timeline if he survives. We see the exit point of Nero's ship as Kirk is issuing orders to fire, parts of it remain intact and there are still lights on.
Kirk made the decision that Nero could still be a threat if he wasn't captured or destroyed. And for all the issues I have with the film, I agree with him.
In TMP Decker shows Ilia a gallery of various ships named Enterprise. One of which is a starship with a ring around it. Image.
If you have to ask, you haven't been paying close attention to Star Trek since 1979.
The "ringship" is a spaceship featured on the history wall of the refit Enterprise in TMP. It was one of the E's predecessors just like the sailing ship, the aircraft carrier(s) and the shuttle. It also showed up in Star Trek Enterprise a couple of times as background decoration.
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