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Oh no.


Anyway...

To be fair, Lucas actually did own the property, so he had the right to do whatever he pleased.
True.

But, I do still believe art benefits from limitations and the PT is a prime example of excess.
 
If Lucas could have gotten a director for the PT, maybe they would have done something slightly different. But union rules I guess still made it difficult to get someone other than himself.
 
To be fair, Lucas actually did own the property, so he had the right to do whatever he pleased.
He didn't just own the property, he owned the company, the facilities, he put his own money into it, and would have been personally on the hook if the whole thing imploded (it did not, and was in fact wildly successful.)

If that doesn't earn a creator the right to do whatever the hell they please, I don't know what does.

Also; I'll take George's uncompromising artistic vision that may or may not be what the fans were expecting, over movies that are hollow, made-by-committee into blandness, and focus grouped to death, purely to service "fans" for maximum profitability any day.
 
He didn't just own the property, he owned the company, the facilities, he put his own money into it, and would have been personally on the hook if the whole thing imploded (it did not, and was in fact wildly successful.)

If that doesn't earn a creator the right to do whatever the hell they please, I don't know what does.

Also; I'll take George's uncompromising artistic vision that may or may not be what the fans were expecting, over movies that are hollow, made-by-committee into blandness, and focus grouped to death, purely to service "fans" for maximum profitability any day.
I absolutely agree with this with one tiny caveat. Any creative endeavor benefits from honest feedback. The stories I've heard about the prequel era was that George had pretty much surrounded himself with Yes Men. The prequels, as much as I prefer them over the sequels, might have benefited from someone speaking truth to power and saying something along the lines of, "George I'm not sure if Jar Jar is going to land the way you think he is". Even Gene Roddenberry was able to be talked down from three-breasted Betazoids and "three-legged" Ferengi.
 
The stories I've heard about the prequel era was that George had pretty much surrounded himself with Yes Men. The prequels, as much as I prefer them over the sequels, might have benefited from someone speaking truth to power and saying something along the lines of, "George I'm not sure if Jar Jar is going to land the way you think he is".
Where were all the "No Men" for the sequel trilogy, now that Lucas was safely out of power? Why did no one object to killing off Han before he and Luke even had the chance to be in another scene together?
 
I absolutely agree with this with one tiny caveat. Any creative endeavor benefits from honest feedback. The stories I've heard about the prequel era was that George had pretty much surrounded himself with Yes Men. The prequels, as much as I prefer them over the sequels, might have benefited from someone speaking truth to power and saying something along the lines of, "George I'm not sure if Jar Jar is going to land the way you think he is". Even Gene Roddenberry was able to be talked down from three-breasted Betazoids and "three-legged" Ferengi.
This. Not saying Lucas didn't have the right to do whatever he pleased, just as Disney does. Only that there is a benefit to limitations.

But, yes, absolutely the Creator can do whatever they want and doesn't owe the fans a damn thing.
 
No director gets carte blanche, and that should have applied to Lucas as well.
If a director is going to be given unlimited authority, they should give it to a director who knows and understands the series well. And KK or anyone else should not interfere with 'that' director's work.
 
If a director is going to be given unlimited authority, they should give it to a director who knows and understands the series well. And KK or anyone else should not interfere with 'that' director's work.
No director should be given unlimited authority.

Art needs limits.
 
I absolutely agree with this with one tiny caveat. Any creative endeavor benefits from honest feedback. The stories I've heard about the prequel era was that George had pretty much surrounded himself with Yes Men. The prequels, as much as I prefer them over the sequels, might have benefited from someone speaking truth to power and saying something along the lines of, "George I'm not sure if Jar Jar is going to land the way you think he is". Even Gene Roddenberry was able to be talked down from three-breasted Betazoids and "three-legged" Ferengi.
I don't think it was so much that he "surrounded himself with yes-men" so much as by that point, nobody working for him thought they had any right to fundamentally contradict THE George Lucas on how to make a Star War. And it's not like the man didn't try to recruit creative collaborators. He flat out offered Spielberg the director's chair, and he turned him down because he felt that Star Wars was George's and should remain so (though he did eventually get him to direct some pre-viz on RotS as a means of teaching him ILM's new system while he was working on War of the Worlds.)

As for Jar-Jar; from everything I've seen and read over the years, he landed pretty much exactly as intended . . . for the intended audience. He's been very clear about this over the years; he did not, and has never gone out to make Star Wars movies for grown-ups or even teenagers. He made them for kids.

I've been around long enough to have seen this merry-go-round play out before; same thing happened in the OT when the fans who were kids when the original movie came out in '77, but were teens by the time 1983 rolled around and they by and large *hated* the Ewoks. The kids who were still kids though, by and large loved them, because that's who they were for.
 
As for Jar-Jar; from everything I've seen and read over the years, he landed pretty much exactly as intended . . . for the intended audience. He's been very clear about this over the years; he did not, and has never gone out to make Star Wars movies for grown-ups or even teenagers. He made them for kids.
Oddly, kids embraced ANH despite its lack of a similar character, something he seemingly overlooked.
 
I wouldn't call firing one directing pair for repeatedly going over budget, over schedule, and flatly refusing to stick to the script, and another director for (supposedly) being difficult during pre-production -- a supposition backed up by reports of his behavior on several other projects -- as "constantly". That's two incidents that she *salvaged* from disaster. As much as I'm not a fan of the creative choices in tROS, it wasn't the train wreck of a movie it would have been had Trevorrow been left in place.

Kennedy has done a terrific job since taking up the position, and has brought us some of the very best Star Wars we've ever seen, from Rebels, to Andor, to The Mandalorian.

She should not be fired, nor is she going to be. She's stepping back to do what she's done best her whole career; Producing.
 
I disagree.
That's fine. Don't mind that but I don't trust directors who can't possibly handle being told no.

I wouldn't call firing one directing pair for repeatedly going over budget, over schedule, and flatly refusing to stick to the script, and another director for (supposedly) being difficult during per-production -- a supposition backed up by reports of his behavior on several other projects -- as "constantly".

Kennedy has done a terrific job since taking up the position, and has brought us some of the very best Star Wars we've ever seen, from Rebels, to Andor, to The Mandalorian.

She should not be fired, nor is she going to be. She's stepping back to do what she's done best her whole career; Producing.
Kennedy is not new to the Hollywood drama scene. She is not going to say yes to everyone especially if they can't manage a project based on a companies and their expectations.
 
That's fine. Don't mind that but I don't trust directors who can't possibly handle being told no.
Well that rather depends on who's doing the telling, doesn't it? It's one thing when a Director is hired on to develop and execute a project on someone else's dime, it's quite another when they put their money where their mouth is and finance it themselves.

I'm not saying one is obligated to like what Lucas did, but one can't question that he earned the right to make his movies his way. And honestly; time has told on that front. The Prequels have aged far better in a quarter century than the sequels did in under a decade.
His work on Clone Wars was an extension of everything he could only lightly touch on in the prequels, and you'll be hard pressed to find a Clone Wars fan that won't insist that the show adds vast amounts of context to those movies. It's almost as if the guy behind both projects knew what he was doing!😉
Kennedy is not new to the Hollywood drama scene. She is not going to say yes to everyone especially if they can't manage a project based on a companies and their expectations.
Indeed. She wouldn't have survived this long in the business by being a pushover, or not knowing when to cut losses. She also doesn't strike me as the sort to suffer fools.
 
not saying one is obligated to like what Lucas did, but one can't question that he earned the right to make his movies his way.
Yes.

I believe I said that. I'm not talking about Lucas. Wife just watched through the Clone Wars (ugh but can't complain she wants to watch Star Wars.) and her and I both agreed the show fills in a lot of what I found lackluster in episode 3. Yes, he had great vision and made it his way (hit it, Bill!)
 
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