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Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

Didn’t we go through this last year? I mean, she and Kurtzman have been about to retire or be fired for a decade now.

I’ll believe it when I see it.
Nothing has changed. People then said she would be out in a year and that is what is happening. Basically letting her run out her contract.
 
Why? The majority of Star Wars productions released under her tenure have been financial successes, with only Solo and The Acolyte being the true failures, from a financial perspective. That's not grounds to have anyone fired.
It doesn't matter if it's financially successful, in my opinion, the movies were terrible except for Rogue One and a little bit of Solo. And the TV series were all terrible except for The Mandarilon and Andor.

I hope you also get fired for doing a good job
If I'm doing a terrible job, of course they should fire me.


I wouldn't call firing one directing pair for repeatedly going over budget, over schedule, and flatly refusing to stick to the script, and another director for (supposedly) being difficult during pre-production -- a supposition backed up by reports of his behavior on several other projects -- as "constantly". That's two incidents that she *salvaged* from disaster. As much as I'm not a fan of the creative choices in tROS, it wasn't the train wreck of a movie it would have been had Trevorrow been left in place.
If you're not going to give them freedom, why do you even give them work? You let the guy who made that weirdo TLJ make the movie he wants, but you don't let two great directors like Phil Lord and Christopher Miller work? What's the logic here? Besides, the film already went over budget by having to reshoot it twice. The problem isn't the directors themselves, it's KK, who won't let them make the movie they want.
 
By the way, I'm not someone who spent my childhood watching Star Wars. When Episode 7 was coming out, I watched all the movies from beginning to end. The first time I watched Episode 7, I loved it and was pumped. I was a Daisy Ridley fan until a few years ago. Now when I watch Episode 7, it doesn't seem that good. When I first watched Episode 8, I wouldn't say it was good at the time. If I said it was bad, it didn't seem bad at all. Now it seems terrible too. Also, I was extremely bored while watching the first movie of the second trilogy. Because of the lack of action until the end. The second movie was good if it had a little more action. The third movie was good in terms of action if it didn't have those dialogues. But all three movies were terrible in my opinion. Apart from the first trilogy, there aren't many great movies in this series. If we don't include the spin-offs.
 
The Prequels have aged far better in a quarter century than the sequels did in under a decade.
Uh... that's the thing. What was the popular opinion of the prequels five years later?
The majority of Star Wars productions released under her tenure have been financial successes, with only Solo and The Acolyte being the true failures, from a financial perspective.
What if I told you the box office of Andor and The Mandalorian was equal to that of The Acolyte?
 
Apart from the first trilogy, there aren't many great movies in this series.
No, I don't think there are many great movies aside from the OT. The PT is meh, the ST is just OK, Solo is fun, Rogue One is the ROTS of the OT lead up; if you like it you'll be all in to it leading in to those events.

But, this is not new to Star Wars. The prequels were trashed. Not just my fans, but my reviewers, Newsweek articles, and podcasts. Being a fan of them in a Star Wars group was a relatively unpopular position to take.

They were treated so badly Lucas sold the company.

Uh... that's the thing. What was the popular opinion of the prequels five years later?

What if I told you the box office of Andor and The Mandalorian was equal to that of The Acolyte?
Still trash. For me, the PT hadn't improved much. Enjoyable at times but ultimately forgettable
 
Yes, it makes perfect sense. Your desire to see a sequel is directly proportional to the good emotions you felt when leaving the theater for the previous installment a couple years before. I'm not joking. For example, I saw Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom in the Theater, but skipped Dominion because I was disappointed with Fallen Kingdom. I caught it on streaming. Haven't seen Rebirth Yet. And I own replicas of both Grant's Raptor Claw and the Barbasol can, so I'm an actual fan of the franchise.

Actually, the failure of The Rise of Skywalker, if a movie that made as much as it did can actually be called a failure, rest entirely with the fact that The Rise of Skywalker was a crappy movie.

"Your opinion doesn't mesh with my opinion; therefore, it must logically be completely wrong!"
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Well, I don't think I've ever agreed with your opinion even once so this is fine with me.

Oh, now you're just acting like a grumpypants. Unless you disagree with me that Agents of SHIELD is an awesome show, with an underrated first season, that deserves a complete Blu-ray release, and that the Coulson Crew should absolutely get to make a heroic appearance in at least Secret Wars, if not Doomsday also? :p
 
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Mark my words. We will get a big trilogy soon as Kathleen Kennedy is gone in about a year. Maybe even a reboot. Sebastian Stan is just waiting for the call to become the new Luke Skywalker.
There is no way any of this is going to happen.
If a director is going to be given unlimited authority, they should give it to a director who knows and understands the series well. And KK or anyone else should not interfere with 'that' director's work.
No director should ever be given "unlimited authority", every time that has happened people have ended up hating it. People need someone around who is willing to tell them when something isn't working, because nobody is perfect and even the greatest creators sometimes have bad ideas.
KK should definitely be fired.
No, she's done her job very well, and while it they haven't all been perfect, we've still gotten way more hits than misses since she took over. If anything, I'd say her hit to miss ratio has been better than Lucas's overall.
It doesn't matter if it's financially successful,
Hollywood is a business, so financial success is all that matters.
in my opinion, the movies were terrible except for Rogue One and a little bit of Solo. And the TV series were all terrible except for The Mandarilon and Andor.
Completely disagree on this point.
If I'm doing a terrible job, of course they should fire me.
Kathleen Kennedy has not been doing a terrible job by any definition of the term.
If you're not going to give them freedom, why do you even give them work?
Directors don't get "freedom" with these kind of franchises, they tend to work more like a TV series, with the producers having the final say and control over things. The only directors get "freedom" these days is with low budget independent movies. There is simply two much at stake for these studios to be willing to be totally hands off with these kinds of movies.
You let the guy who made that weirdo TLJ make the movie he wants, but you don't let two great directors like Phil Lord and Christopher Miller work?
Lord and Miller could not perform the job they were hired to do, it's a simple as that. From what I've read, it sounds like they had agreed to deliver a certain type of movie, but it pretty clear once they really got going that they were not able to actually deliver. So to go back to your ealier posts, they were doing a terrible job and so they were fired. I got the impression that working with Rian Johnson was a good experience, and the higher ups were happy with what he was able to deliver.
What's the logic here? Besides, the film already went over budget by having to reshoot it twice. The problem isn't the directors themselves, it's KK, who won't let them make the movie they want.
No, the problem is they were not able to do the job they were hired to do.
They had never directed a movie of that kind of scale before, and I got the impression that they had gotten over their heads, and had no idea how to direct a movie like it. I got the impression they were trying to do it the same they did their earlier goofy comedies, and big effects heavy sci-fi adventure movie has to be made very differently from those kind of movies.
 
From what I've read, it sounds like they had agreed to deliver a certain type of movie, but it pretty clear once they really got going that they were not able to actually deliver. So to go back to your ealier posts, they were doing a terrible job and so they were fired.
They were trying to turn it into a Lego movie.
 
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