God knows from our go-arounds in the Discovery forums, that I can be as big an ass as anyone. Though I try to be a fair ass.
All the Negative people.
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God knows from our go-arounds in the Discovery forums, that I can be as big an ass as anyone. Though I try to be a fair ass.
Got it.
maybe you missed the point that Kirk, Spock and Bones worked together and Kirk looked to his ffriends to shore up his won decisions.. spock for logic, bones for emotion.. but if you want to use the mary sue argument when that is not the case and you want to be dishonest.. that's ok
God knows from our go-arounds in the Discovery forums, that I can be as big an ass as anyone. Though I try to be a fair ass.
Big asses, fair asses.....it's all good..! There is plenty to go around!
Finally I can agree with you on something. They are nothing but a clickbait site in it for ad revenue. They post ridiculous unfounded stories from "unnamed sources" for almost all fandoms, not just Trek. More traffic means they can charge more for ads. So any time anyone shares a story and generates traffic, they win.
It has a whole other set..........
They are everybit the "Mary Sue's" that Rey, Michael Burnham and Beckett Mariner are. You haven't actually paid attention to TOS if you think otherwise.
Same here. And I am a constant failure at jokes too. I too can be an ass.God knows from our go-arounds in the Discovery forums, that I can be as big an ass as anyone. Though I try to be a fair ass.
He never suffers consequences for his choices. That's a total Mary Sue argument by the logic of this thread.
Also, the format of Lower Decks reminds me of...pretty much every comedy I've watched in the last ten years. So, no to the Mary Sue argument-full stop.
Better put than I did. Well said.
Mariner, Burnham, Rey all have the same type of skills that Kirk, Spock, Scotty, and other protagonist characters have. They just happen to be female so they are bad.
I'm a fan of The Orville, but you are correct that it has its own set of problems.
No those female characters have ALL the skills.. by themselves.. with the TOS crew the skills were given to different characters . Ugh dishonest argument
I can believe in Rey, Burnham, and Mariner doing what they do just as much as I can believe Kirk can talk advanced AI into self destructing in multiple episodes or anyone would get fired up over his WE.......THE .........PEOPLE speech in The Omega Glory. It's entertainment.
I would once again point you to rewatch TOS. Kirk solved the Gary Mitchell issue on his own, by killing a God. That's just a start...
Kirk bluffs the Fesarius then gets the Enterprise free.
Spock phasers the Salt Vampire while McCoy watches and Kirk is getting suckled.
Need I go on? I've watched this show A LOT over the last forty-five years.
Head in the sand and whataboutism argument.
Dishonest is saying the have all the skills. They are just competent characters. And face little consequences as is the nature of TV. How many times was Kirk threatened with censure and then the admirals are like, "Nah, it's fine."
Ugh is right to this Mary Sue BS argument.
Please do. It will get fun at how ridiculous it goes.
Never during TOS that I can remember. Except during "Court Martial", even then they offered him a ground assignment instead of going to trial. That is another episode where Spock alone ends up solving the issues that led to Kirk's indictment for murder.
I was thinking of "Amok Time" when Kirk goes against orders to divert to Vulcan but I might be misremembering at this point. Though, his punishment in ST IV is laughable in its own right.
Admiral leaned on him a bit about the importance of the Altair conference. We never find out if Kirk would've actually been reprimanded because T'Pau leaned on the Admiral.
Pays to have friends in high places.
Good point lolAdmiral leaned on him a bit about the importance of the Altair conference. We never find out if Kirk would've actually been reprimanded because T'Pau leaned on the Admiral.
Pays to have friends in high places.
Can't tell you how hard it is to take anyone seriously who brings up this particular “argument”. Look, you don't have to like Mariner and for all I care you can criticize her all day long. I see plenty of people criticizing her, so that's not the problem. But this particular buzzword has all but lost its original meaning and has become nothing more than a way to aggravate people and poison a discussion. Looking at your history on this board I have a hard time believing you don't already know what introducing it into a discussion does to that discussion. So going forward I would ask you to word you criticism a little more thoughtfully and without falling back on that particular trigger word. That'll save all of us a lot of grief.
Not this again. Nothing about Lower Decks looks like a “kid's drawing”. Hyperbole or no, there's got to be a way for you to take a more balanced tone when it comes to this.
This is the Lower Decks forum. Dial it down with the talk about The Orville. Others are managing just fine with liking The Orville and bringing it up from time to time. You on the other seem to have a hard time going into any discussion about Lower Decks without feeling the need to mention it at some point.
Looking at all this in summation I'm on the fence about what to think about your intentions of posting here. Are you seriously interested in discussing the show with other people, or do you just want stir up trouble? If it's the former, then please take this post to heart and show an effort to have a less polarizing effect on the forum. Otherwise we'll just have to assume you are willfully disrupting the forum and act accordingly.
I think it's safe to assume that Mariner was on starships for most of her life. Much like Wesley Crusher, she probably had some "acting" status and privileges amongst the crew on the ship she was on. Also like Wes Crusher, she probably got early entrance exams etc. for Starfleet Academy.
If you looked ahead at Wes Crusher as a full-fledged officer 3-4 years out of the academy (like Mariner is)...he would have vastly more experience having been involved in all those missions on the Enterprise than someone else. He went on away missions, ran scientific projects, saved the ship (hehe), and manned a bridge station. That's a HELL of a lot of experience. And that's what the show has portrayed...she has experience. Not necessarily special skills of any kind. And she sure as hell isn't flawless or perfect. That's ridiculous.
I don't think it's a "Mary Sue" situation. I think it's simply a character with a backstory.
It's supposed to be a character juxtaposition between Mariner who has a lot of experience but no ambition (so she says) and Boimler who has very little experience but wants to command someday. It's character dynamics....for fun....you know?
When do we get to the point where we don't have to debate every new lead as a "Mary Sue?" Dang, yo....
If you looked ahead at Wes Crusher as a full-fledged officer 3-4 years out of the academy (like Mariner is)...he would have vastly more experience having been involved in all those missions on the Enterprise than someone else. He went on away missions, ran scientific projects, saved the ship (hehe), and manned a bridge station. That's a HELL of a lot of experience. And that's what the show has portrayed...she has experience. Not necessarily special skills of any kind. And she sure as hell isn't flawless or perfect. That's ridiculous.
I don't think it's a "Mary Sue" situation. I think it's simply a character with a backstory.
It's supposed to be a character juxtaposition between Mariner who has a lot of experience but no ambition (so she says) and Boimler who has very little experience but wants to command someday. It's character dynamics....for fun....you know?
When do we get to the point where we don't have to debate every new lead as a "Mary Sue?" Dang, yo....
Whoa. What a completely unexpected statement out of you. I said sarcastically.
This show probably has the most naturalistic dialogue out of any Star Trek series.
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