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Aliens on the Enterprise?

EyalM

Fleet Captain
Fleet Captain
Although it took some time, TOS established that the federation is a multi-species entity. But we only got to see glimpses of that diversity (like in "journey to Babel"), and for most the time Spock seemed to be the only alien on board.

Is it time to 'hetrogonize' the Enterprise's crew? To some of that big money being dumped on the new movie to give the ship the TAS treatment?
 
I'll cast my vote for Scarlett Johansson as M'Ress. I always wanted to see Scarlett in a "catsuit". ;) Mr. Arex, on the other hand (no pun intended), may be a bit tougher to cast.

Seriously though -- you're right about the lack of diversity because even though the Federation itself was made up of diverse alien species, Starfleet itself did not seem to be an "Equal Opportunity Employer", as they say here in th U.S.

One would think that among a crew of 430 people, there would be more than one alien. I think they should show a couple more alien crewmembers -- however this IS a TOS movie, not a TNG movie, so to stay true to the series, I don't they should go wild and show an extremely diverse crew.

Having said that, I wouldn't be shocked if they stay faithful to TOS, with Spock again being the only non-human crewmember. Don't forget, Spock was the only Vulcan in Starfleet during TOS.
 
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^^You're right. mea culpa

But did they ever say that maybe he was the first? I seem to remember hearing something like that.
 
dalehoppert said:
No Caitians!

Looking shocked and dismayed...

Kioki-MRess-9.jpg


...M'Ress sputters, "Wha... What's wrong with Caitians??!!!"

Please, DaleHoppert, that was meant in jest, a joke. But I am curious about your reasons.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
Jackson_Roykirk said:
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^^You're right. mea culpa

But did they ever say that maybe he was the first? I seem to remember hearing something like that.

Not supported by canon. But indeed, the two claims about Spock are widespread.
 
Lt. Arex has to be in the movie. I'll boycott it otherwise, because that'll mean Abrams doesn't know Star Trek.
 
I'd love to see a few Tellarites and Andorians in the background/corridors. Maybe a female Caiatian or a male Triexian which we could assume was M'Ress and Arex. But I don't think any non-human crewmembers should make more than a couple of seconds apperance besides Spock.
 
Something to consider... it may seem "politically correct" to put all variety of aliens together, but it's not necessarily PRACTICAL.

First off... we know that although in TOS times they can replicate some materials (basic foodstuffs, for instance) they aren't down to replicating all variety of complex molecules... like, say, medicines.

Translation... if you have one species on board, you need to carry medicines for that species. If you have 430 individuals, all from different species, you need medicines for each and every one of them.

Food... similar. Okay, they have "food slots" on the 1701 after Kirk starts the 5-year-mission (I'd argue that they didn't previously... but that's another topic). But that's still an area that requires far more resources with every new species you add to the mix... even if you're only talking about DATA STORAGE resources (which I consider unlikely).

What about atmosphere? Sure, we know that Andorians can exist on a Federation ship. But we also know that they PREFER cooler climates. Vulcans, on the other hand, prefer hotter, dryer climates than we do. So, on a wildly mixed-crew vessel... is ANYONE going to be truly COMFORTABLE? Probably not... stiflingly high humidity for one species might be far too dry for another... etc, etc.

For that matter, what about simple matters of VISUAL RANGE? We know that human psychology reacts badly to dark, reddish areas. But obviously Klingons are built to prefer that. Other species see other spectra... nobody necessarily sees things exactly the same way. Tellerites need far brighter lights than humans would, I'm sure, due to their small eyes and relatively poor eyesight.

What about background noise? What types of sound have "fingernails on the blackboard" effect for other species?

Finally... we all have different biologies... and if human B.O. can be offensive to OTHER HUMANS... imagine a ship filled with all variety of horrific alien B.O.

My point? There are a lot of perfectly valid, "non-racist" reasons for trying to keep the crews of various ships largely homogenous. Plenty of cause for having "mostly Vulcan" crews or "mostly Tellerite" crews or "mostly Benzite" crews or "mostly Andorian" crews... or "mostly HUMAN" crews!

Yes, there may be ways around some of these issues... but why struggle with solving these issues the HARD way when you can simply reduce, or at least MINIMIZE, them, by assigning a minimum number of alien species together on any given ship?
 
Cary L. Brown said:
Something to consider... it may seem "politically correct" to put all variety of aliens together, but it's not necessarily PRACTICAL.

First off... we know that although in TOS times they can replicate some materials (basic foodstuffs, for instance) they aren't down to replicating all variety of complex molecules... like, say, medicines.

Translation... if you have one species on board, you need to carry medicines for that species. If you have 430 individuals, all from different species, you need medicines for each and every one of them.

we saw bones come up with medicines to treat a number of aliens that they met so i dont see that as a big objectionn.
climate may be bigger but the andorians ect didnt seem to have a lot of trouble in babel.

it just makes sense to have more aliens mixed .
not a huge number but something like we saw in tas.
 
pookha said:
Cary L. Brown said:
Something to consider... it may seem "politically correct" to put all variety of aliens together, but it's not necessarily PRACTICAL.

First off... we know that although in TOS times they can replicate some materials (basic foodstuffs, for instance) they aren't down to replicating all variety of complex molecules... like, say, medicines.

Translation... if you have one species on board, you need to carry medicines for that species. If you have 430 individuals, all from different species, you need medicines for each and every one of them.

we saw bones come up with medicines to treat a number of aliens that they met so i dont see that as a big objectionn.
climate may be bigger but the andorians ect didnt seem to have a lot of trouble in babel.

it just makes sense to have more aliens mixed .
not a huge number but something like we saw in tas.
Well, if there ARE non-humans on board the ship, it would need to be justifiable. I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a largely mixed crew, after all, just that it's far more DIFFICULT than to have a homogenous crew.

Spock was the "first Vulcan in Starfleet." Obviously he was forced to serve among people who weren't Vulcans. (Eventually, it seems that a group of serving Vulcans were given Starfleet commissions and assigned, en-masse, to the Intrepid... probably as an effort to really bring Vulcans into the Starfleet system).

We know that Vulcans find the scent of Humans to be offensive... per ENT (which I can accept) but that eventually they become "used to it."

Perhaps we can also accept that Caitians and Edoans are also biologically/environmentally close enough to Humans that the potential concerns would be minimized. That is... both species share the same visual, auditory, and olefactory characteristics as Humans, are largely biochemically compatible, and are culturally (and yes, "body-odor-ally") both non-offensive to Humans and find human characteristics non-offensive.

The trick is still to realize that it's just EASIER to keep a homogenous crew. So having mixed crews would inevitably be more likely based upon either socio-political engineering, or upon absolute necessity.

Sociopolitical engineering,here, means "people are complaining about segregated starships... we need to demonstrate that this isn't our goal." Put a few basically-compatible non-humans on a human-majority ship... or put a human or two on a Caitian-majority ship... or whatever else... just to prove that "We're an equal opportunity Federation."

Abolute necessity is either of the following two circumstances:

"The only really qualified person, or by far the BEST qualified person, is not of the same species as the majority of the ship's population, and we're willing to make that EXTRA EFFORT because that individual is worth the extra work."

OR...

"We have a ship that wasn't supposed to launch for several months, still, but we really need to send it out ahead of schedule because a 'Mysterious Unknown Force (tm)' is approaching Earth and we need a crew... FAST!"

So, it's reasonable to assume that Arex is both biochemically and culturally non-offensive to humans, and the converse applies as well, AND that he's able to eat the same foods humans do, AND that he was far more qualified for the job than anyone else who was available at the time, AND that there was a political incentive for putting him on board (possible as the first Edoan in Starfleet?)

Similar things would apply to M'Ress... but I hesitate to even start talking about "biological compatibility" considering some of the ... oh, how can I put this... "above PG-rated" thoughts some folks here seem to have re: this character! ;)
 
Dunno... If this is pre-Tos I always got the impression that
the Vulcans were the only non-Terran species (that were shown) that had joined, and were serving in Starfleet.
Tellarites and Andorians were introduced in Journey To Babel and were still a bit mysterious, Romulans are obviously not an option, as are Klingons.
So just how many planets constitute The United Federation Of Planets ? How many of them were members pre-Cage ?
I always got the impression particularly from first Season, that the Enterprise was one of the first Starships to really get out there...
I'm not sure that a Pre-TOS-Cage Enterprise should have more than a single Vulcan representing an alien species on board.
(and....Roddenberry knew what he was doing by only having one Vulcan on board)
 
There would also be the humanoids from Alpha Centauri, the little known "fifth founder" of the UFP, a Preserver-originating offshoot of humanity.
 
137th Gebirg said:
There would also be the humanoids from Alpha Centauri, the little known "fifth founder" of the UFP, a Preserver-originating offshoot of humanity.
I've always loved that bit... but they pretty much invalidated it in "First Contact," didn't they? (Grrrr...)

There's no canonical reference to anyone from Alpha Centauri being remotely like us, or of there being anyone from there who ISN'T us, for that matter. Except for the line that Zephram Cochran "of Alpha Centauri" invented Warp drive, well...we don't REALLY know anything.

I prefer the "Preservers" bit... but B&B apparently didn't know or care about it. So, unless you want to toss out First Contact (which ain't gonna happen in any "canonical" way!)... the bit you mention is "out" now.
 
Cary L. Brown said:
I prefer the "Preservers" bit... but B&B apparently didn't know or care about it. So, unless you want to toss out First Contact (which ain't gonna happen in any "canonical" way!)... the bit you mention is "out" now.

Well, neither actor who played Cochrane had an opposable pinkie finger, either, nor a very high forehead, which were attributes suggested by the Goldsteins' "Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology" (1980), the source of the supposed Alpha Centaurian origin story mentioned above.
 
I've been toying lately with the idea that Starfleet is much more diverse, but mostly segregated, so that each race can have their preferred gravity, atmosphere, temperature, work shifts designed for their circadian rhythms, and so on. Is there anything in "The Immunity Syndrome" that rules out more all-Vulcan ships like Intrepid?

I certainly wouldn't want to be a Zaranite on a Human-dominated ship, and have to wear the equivalent of a wetsuit and scuba gear not just all day at work, but any time I left my dorm room. And wouldn't Andorians find a Human ship uncomfortably warm? So what if instead there are Human ships, and Vulcan ships, and Andorian ships, etc, and Spock was just an anomaly?

That might also explain the UESPA reference in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday". Suppose that Starfleet is an umbrella organization combining the member worlds' various space agencies; Human Starfleet ships are operated by UESPA, Vulcan Starfleet ships by whatever the Vulcan equivalent is, etc.

Just a thought. It does beg the question of why Spock was on a Human ship, though.


Marian
 
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