Alien vs Star Trek (or ) Predator vs Star Trek. What do you think?

[HAL.9000]

Since Aliens and Predator where mixed, I can see it happening in the future sometime.

What do you think of these combos and is it just a matter of time before someone does it?

Personally I dont like it. I like to keep genres in their own universe, but unless someone comes up with some really good Trek movies, I just might enjoy something like this just for grins.

 

[RoJoHen]

Other than maybe a novel or comic book, I really don't see this ever happening.

 

[HAL.9000]

Other than maybe a novel or comic book, I really don't see this ever happening.

I never thought I would see Alien vs Predator or Freddy vs Jason happen...but it did.

When Hollywood runs out of ideas, they come up with some weird sh-t.

 

[RoJoHen]

Other than maybe a novel or comic book, I really don't see this ever happening.

I never thought I would see Alien vs Predator or Freddy vs Jason happen...but it did.

See, I definitely thought those things would happen.

There's a freakin' alien skeleton in the ship at the end of Predator 2. It was only a matter of time before a movie was made combining those franchises.

 

[HAL.9000]

Other than maybe a novel or comic book, I really don't see this ever happening.

I never thought I would see Alien vs Predator or Freddy vs Jason happen...but it did.

See, I definitely thought those things would happen.

There's a freakin' alien skeleton in the ship at the end of Predator 2. It was only a matter of time before a movie was made combining those franchises.

So if a Star Trek character ever comes across a lightsaber, then we are in trouble huh?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I wouldn't mind universe crossovers as long as it doesn't affect either the canon and/or it is a comic episode. In fact I would pretty much love them if they are done right. I've never seen AvP because I heard it is awful, and because when I read the premise I didn't like it, so I count it as a failure to do it right.

For Alien vs. Star Trek: In Alien we were made to believe that the alien is the first extraterrestrial creature we meet, although it was far from the main focus, I believe it is important for fully appreciating it. As far as I recall, the events in Alien happen after First Contact, so you can't do a serious crossover, and I'm not certain how a comic one would work. Also the Borg were similar to the alien in many ways, only watered down for watching with the family (e.g. First Contact could have been a horror film if they didn't intentionally kill the tension every now and then).

A crossover with something like Doctor Who might work for the lulz, although again it would have to be a comic one (because the two stories don't fit) and more Doctor Who-oriented (because Star Trek is too serious and pretentious).

The Star Trek universe has already been connected with others, for example Greek myths (like Who Mourns for Adonais?), Sherlock Holmes (Elementary My Dear Data, etc.), modern UFO conspiracy theories, etc., and it could easily adopt more modern stories in a similar way if rights issues can be resolved (which is why I believe copyrights should expire faster). It would be a cool thing, but it requires new series, because I would be disappointed if they waste a film for anything but an original in-universe story. I can't think of any story that could be explored though -- I'm much more into going into human history than fiction.

I would love a Star Trek vs. Star Wars one though, even a serious one, even if it means forking both universes (like Star Trek forks the real universe and takes foreign stories without affecting their universes). I think it would be rather amazing and hilarious if done properly.

 

[HAL.9000]

I wouldn't mind universe crossovers as long as it doesn't affect either the canon and/or it is a comic episode. In fact I would pretty much love them if they are done right. I've never seen AvP because I heard it is awful, and because when I read the premise I didn't like it, so I count it as a failure to do it right.

For Alien vs. Star Trek: In Alien we were made to believe that the alien is the first extraterrestrial creature we meet, although it was far from the main focus, I believe it is important for fully appreciating it. As far as I recall, the events in Alien happen after First Contact, so you can't do a serious crossover, and I'm not certain how a comic one would work. Also the Borg were similar to the alien in many ways, only watered down for watching with the family (e.g. First Contact could have been a horror film if they didn't intentionally kill the tension every now and then).

A crossover with something like Doctor Who might work, although again it would have to be a comic one (because the two stories don't fit) and more Doctor Who-oriented (because Star Trek is too serious and pretentious).

The Star Trek universe has already been connected with others, for example Greek myths (like Who Mourns for Adonais?), Sherlock Holmes (Elementary My Dear Data, etc.), and it could easily adopt more modern stories in a similar way if rights issues can be resolved (which is why I believe copyrights should expire faster). It would be a cool thing, but it requires new series, because I would be disappointed if they waste a film for anything but an original in-universe story.

Excellent assessment. Thank you for your thoughts on the matter. BTW, I agree with you concerning copyrights. They should expire faster. Copyrights keep creative people from using other's material for their own creative projects.

 

[The Wormhole]

Other than maybe a novel or comic book, I really don't see this ever happening.

I never thought I would see Alien vs Predator or Freddy vs Jason happen...but it did.

When Hollywood runs out of ideas, they come up with some weird sh-t.

That's kind of different. Alien vs Predator was its own franchise of comic, novels and video games before the two movies were made.

Besides, Star trek taking on an Alien or Predator would basically just end up with the Stafleet officers teching the tech and bam! The day is saved through tricorder or deflector dish reconficuring tachyons or some such bullshit.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Besides, Star trek taking on an Alien or Predator would basically just end up with the Stafleet officers teching the tech and bam! The day is saved through tricorder or deflector dish reconficuring tachyons or some such bullshit.

Unless it happens before the first proper starship and the captain is bound by the temporal prime directive not to interfere as the alien slaughters thousands (think Aliens), and an Observer Effect-like episode plays out? It could be a good story if written by a good writer, don't underestimate the possibilities. It doesn't have to be the alien from Alien, just another threat that's similar enough to make everyone think "Hey, Alien!" Not exactly fitting with Star Trek's family friendliness though.

 

[RoJoHen]

I never thought I would see Alien vs Predator or Freddy vs Jason happen...but it did.

See, I definitely thought those things would happen.

There's a freakin' alien skeleton in the ship at the end of Predator 2. It was only a matter of time before a movie was made combining those franchises.

So if a Star Trek character ever comes across a lightsaber, then we are in trouble huh?

I tend not to worry about things that aren't going to happen.

 

[Stoek]

Well considering the fact that the Borg in First Contact are very like the creatures in the Alien movies and the Hirogen from Voyager are a more chatty version of the Predator, I'm not sure I see any logic to such stories.

 

[Bill Morris]

Q, while aboard a starship goofing around, snaps his fingers and creates a real version of the fictiitous Superman then soon gets bored with his creation's goody two-shoes attitude and snaps again to make him disappear. But the second snap doesn't work, and Superman says, "You can't just snap me away, dummy! I'm Superman!"

 

[Pauln6]

I've already done it in a photostory called Angels of Acheron on Youtube. I wasn't very fussy though, and I gave Trek canon priority over the other genres because some of them were clearly incompatible in their raw form. Basically, I thought it would be fun to mix and match the more interesting elements from Babylon 5, Alien, Solaris, Andromeda, and I'm not sure what else I will mix in - almost certainly Farscape, maybe Earth: Final Conflict if I can think of a way. It isn't War and Peace - my standards aren't exactly high - but it has been fun to do.

I just figured that the 'alternative universe' or 'a wizard did it' cards can be played quite effectively to dismiss incomaptible canon.

Somebody inspired me with a far superior animated cartoon a while back that featured TOS and Alien. However, he was a tease and only did part one as an homage with a trailer for the mythical part two which showed that he was intending to give the Alien plot the priority as recurring characters were wiped out one by one. Maybe Kirk and Spock were going to be killed half way through leaving Yeoman Rand to save the ship - lol.

 

[Deimos Anomaly]

I don't think it would work well. It would be hard for them to be a believable threat in a universe where a simple tricorder scan could reveal the presence of a gestating xenomorph inside a person, and a transporter could then beam it out.

 

[Pauln6]

I don't think it would work well. It would be hard for them to be a believable threat in a universe where a simple tricorder scan could reveal the presence of a gestating xenomorph inside a person, and a transporter could then beam it out.

Well, I already covered that in my story. I'm not sure how credible an explanation I came up with but I did at least try. I don't like the notion of technology becoming too powerful in Star Trek as it seems to me it gets in the way of the human(oid) story. I was grinding my teeth at several points in the Star Trek movie, especially when they transported almost a light year onto a ship travelling at warp without even modifying a standard shuttlecraft transporter.

I play Dungeons & Dragons where characters function within reasonably well defined parameters and I bring that to my interpretation of Trek. So phasers can run out of energy, transporters can only perform a quantum scan to beam someone back if they are holding their communicators or bio-belts (the way it worked in Blakes 7). Simple, logical limitations can open up a whole host of potential stories. The more they expand the technological parameters, the harder they will find it to tell a decent story (I mean come on - he stumbled across Spock in a cave because 'the universe' wanted them to meet?).

 

[mic of orion]

Since Aliens and Predator where mixed, I can see it happening in the future sometime.

What do you think of these combos and is it just a matter of time before someone does it?

Personally I dont like it. I like to keep genres in their own universe, but unless someone comes up with some really good Trek movies, I just might enjoy something like this just for grins.

bad bad bad bad bad bad very bad idea.

I really hate when they do stupid comparisons star trek v bsg, or star wars or any other sci fi franchise or try to some how create universe in which all these co-exist.

makes me puke.

I love Babylon 5, Star Wars and Star Trek equally, and putting them all in to one universe would make me sick ...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Aliens vs Predator vs Star Trek would be fun. Just open it with a Predator ship, packed with aliens in stasis, falling out of an STXI-style black hole (thus leaving it open as to whether it came from another place, time or universe) crashing on a planet with a small Federation settlement on it and the Enterprise is sent to investigate.

As for tricorder scans... maybe the planet's technobabble babytalk phenomena blocks them. Or maybe a jamming device on the crashed Predator ship?

 

[The Wormhole]

Something I just remembered, Star Trek novels have featured a holodeck program about the Aliens.

 

[{ Emilia }]

In my head Kirk is fighting Apollo Creed.

 

[MLJames]

In his introduction to the trade paperback version of Batman Versus Predator, Dennis O'Neil said, "The only test I've ever found for judging the artistic credibility of using a character from one fictional universe in another such universe is this: If the characer were presented fresh, as a new creation, would he be acceptable?"

Using this standard, the only series where a crossover with either Alien or Predator would really work is Enterprise. With TOS and the series that followed it, the tech available to the Starfleet crew makes it far too easy to locate and neutralize the intruders.

Q, while aboard a starship goofing around, snaps his fingers and creates a real version of the fictiitous Superman then soon gets bored with his creation's goody two-shoes attitude and snaps again to make him disappear. But the second snap doesn't work, and Superman says, "You can't just snap me away, dummy! I'm Superman!"

Depending on which era Q accesses, Superman might not be much of a challenge. Now, if he cooks up Squirrel Girl, Q is in real trouble!