STD's pulling a tiny audience compared to the old syndicated Trek shows, so most of the world doesn't even notice.
Alex Kurtzman Gets New Deal With CBS, Will Expand 'Star Trek' TV
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STD's pulling a tiny audience compared to the old syndicated Trek shows, so most of the world doesn't even notice.
That would be Roger Moore's commando raid on Kristatos' drug warehouse in For Your Eyes Only and the later assault on the mountain stronghold. Damned good scenes.
Oh really? I thought we were living in the golden age of TV with prestige serial storytelling? Wasn't that what Discovery was supposed to be?
And DSC is approaching that audience by saying “get your coat, you’ve pulled!” And the audience is expected to be grateful that it’s been pulled at all... hehe!
I've never seen a single episode of any of those shows, and didn't even know a few of them existed (partially because I don't watch real TV, partially because I am totally uninterested in superheroes). I am hazarding a guess there is a bigger structural and tonal difference between each of them, however than say between TNG and Voyager. Someone please school me.
I'm actually not 100% opposed to this, I just was making a funny because of the ambiguous way the original was written.
I'm not sure that Jolene Blalock would want to reprise her role however. I get the idea she is basically done with acting.
I rewatched Nemesis recently. It wasn't good, but it wasn't notably worse than say Insurrection. I have heard there was a lot of footage left on the cutting room floor which would have made it feel more like a "Trek movie." It also unfortunately came out sandwiched between newer blockbluster franchises like Harry Potter and LoTR, which hurt it at the box office. But under different circumstances, I don't think it would have killed the TNG movie franchise.
Really though, Trek isn't made for the big screen - especially nowadays when a sci-fi movie is expected to be some big, dumb action-packed blockbuster.
Kurtzman is pretty mediocre to awful as a writer. But he's not going to be the head writer on all of these shows, he's going to be the money guy and the one who interacts directly with the network. He's loved in Hollywood, IIRC, because he has a reputation for finishing projects on time and underbudget, not due to his creativity. As long as at least some of these projects get decent showrunners, I think that it will work out fine.
Note that this also means that it's almost certain that Kurtzman will be handing off showrunning duties on Discovery to someone else ASAP. There's no way he can oversee production on DIS and work on developing 4-5 new shows simultaneously.
Let's keep in mind that these projects are in development, so if someone finds a concept unappealing, it's not necessarily going to get made. If every Star Trek project that went into development had actually materialized, I'd be planning a God Thing/Planet of Titans/Phase II marathon for this weekend.
I'm also not prepared to decide whether a project might be appealing to me personally based on such little information at this point. I jumped the gun with Solo, thinking the idea of a young Han Solo had no appeal to me, but I actually ended up liking the finished movie, so go figure. I'll wait for the finished project before making up my mind.
Having said all that, the only conclusion I am prepared to draw is this: If CBS is developing four new TV projects on top of Discovery, and Paramount is developing two films, that means that CBS and Paramount are both bullish on Star Trek right now. And that makes me happy.
I'm also not prepared to decide whether a project might be appealing to me personally based on such little information at this point. I jumped the gun with Solo, thinking the idea of a young Han Solo had no appeal to me, but I actually ended up liking the finished movie, so go figure. I'll wait for the finished project before making up my mind.
Having said all that, the only conclusion I am prepared to draw is this: If CBS is developing four new TV projects on top of Discovery, and Paramount is developing two films, that means that CBS and Paramount are both bullish on Star Trek right now. And that makes me happy.
It was a critical success
I’ve watched all of them except Arrow. Started with legends until they did the first crossover which led me to flash and supergirl and I haven’t looked back - was able to catch up with them all via streaming services (I also don’t watch live tv anymore). A Trek universe like the Arrowverse would be cool if done properly.
As for tone, you’d be surprised how similar the Arrowverse show are to each other. They have the same tropes for characters - although the settings and stories differ. But idc cos I love them all
I actually wish they’d done more TNG DS9 crossovers tbf. And the chance to do a Voyager one would have been fun as well. I’d have wanted to see Data play Tuvok at Kal-Toh because I’m lame.
I fall into the group who thinks insurrection felt like a big screen episode of TNG - which didn’t make for a great movie but I find it more enjoyable to watch again than nemesis which I find a slog.
Very good news. Only one thing. I hope all DSC haters here and on social media know that there is no come back to Berman era look in Star Trek. All new series will share visual continuity with Discovery. If Jean-Luc Picard will meet any Klingon in this new mini series then there will be Klingon like this from DSC and if this conversation will be on two starships then holograms will be used. I hope this remainder will prevent outrage even if only on this forum.
What's the appeal, if you don't mind me asking?
I partially avoid superhero shows because I really friggin hate villains. Not as in I love to hate them, as in I hate stories which have simplistic bad guys who the heroes have to defeat. It's the same reason I really didn't like most of the Trek movies, because they came down to "defeat bad guy X this time." Even the best Trek villain of all time - Gul Dukat - was completely ruined as a character post-Waltz with all of his complexity removed so as to stop fans from identifying with him. I realize good shows must have conflict, but IMHO internal conflict - or conflict where there is no one who is clearly right or wrong - is just so much better than the whole white hat/black hat crap.
Note: I understand that some comic book stories are more complex than this. But I really don't feel like wading through the genre to find it.
I suppose you could have had Data downloaded somehow into a hologram and beamed to Voyager late in the series, when contact with the Alpha Quadrant was re-established.
Kurtzman will be the Rick Berman of the future trek franchise and focus more on the administrative side of things. He'll bump up a writer, possibly Ted Sullivan to be the new Michael Piller and maybe Bo Yeon Kim to be the new Jeri Taylor.
Kurtzman may not be a great writer but his reputation as a guy who can keep projects on track, within budget and delivered on time is a good thing. Plus he comes across as a pretty chill guy in interviews
Kurtzman may not be a great writer but his reputation as a guy who can keep projects on track, within budget and delivered on time is a good thing. Plus he comes across as a pretty chill guy in interviews
Who the hell wants that?
What the "STD haters" want is, you know, something good instead of what CBS is putting out now.
They give me feels
They are a guilty pleasure and are totally analogous to eating three desserts in a row - but the characters are compelling and the shows are generally upbeat and have some levity to them. They walk the line between being grounded in reality while not taking themselves too seriously and just make for enjoyable television...
...for me at least.
I think the Arrowverse shows hit the mark tonally - they don’t get too hung up on being “funny” or “serious” - they seem to strike a good balance I think.
Ah, my cheque from the CW has arrived - enough waxing lyrical about the Arrowverse...
Yeah, the "you want TOS/TNG again" narrative is beyond tiresome.
No offense, but cut the crap.
Sometimes the factory puts out great stuff. We disagree about Discovery but with TV and film in general, the industry is a sausage factory. Anything with mass-production with regular quotas is a sausage factory. If you have good talent they'll put out good material but material has to be put out one way or another.
Mathematically these new Star Treks will be less of a sausage factory than previous Star Treks. 13 episodes per year instead of 26 means the chances of a bad episode slipping through are cut down by 50% and cuts down on the chances of the staff becoming worn out by the end of the season or having some sort of slump in the middle, which used to be common.
For the record my favorite show is Mad Men. I put it way above Discovery, no matter how much I like DSC. Don Draper didn't want to work for McCann because McCann is a sausage factory. McCann also makes or made Coca-Cola commercials -- they fictitiously even have Betty Draper in one -- and I love Coke commercials. They even end the show with one.
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They give me feels
They are a guilty pleasure and are totally analogous to eating three desserts in a row - but the characters are compelling and the shows are generally upbeat and have some levity to them. They walk the line between being grounded in reality while not taking themselves too seriously and just make for enjoyable television...
From the way you're describing them, they sound like modern versions of Xena or something.
Sure. There is not one thread on this forum about visual reboot, wrong Klingon look or wrong starship look in DSC.
Okay my 3 cents ( not adjusted for inflation)
So we have 2 movies coming out, and now 4 more series ( animation, 2 mini series, full series I belive). So, after a drought of 13 years, we now have a buffet! This is good and bad. Don't want to hit over saturation. But in the 90's we had 2 series on and the movies going so it is doable.
So Alex is now going to take on the Berman role in the franchise, Thats good, I belive, Hes a good money man in hollywood , and while his movie stuff stinks on ice, his tv stuff does well, Fringe, Sleepy Hollow etc. Now, he has to go out and get some good show runners/head writers for Discovery and all the rest. I wish him luck (cough Manny Coto, Johnathan Frankes, Roxanne Dawson cough)
So, my take on the series. A Nicholas Meyer directed miniseries would be good. An animation would be so much fun if done right. Maybe the Animated one is the Picard series, have all the characters in it doing voice over. would be cool!
I have high hopes for this, and hope he gets some good quality executive level in there and treat us well!
So we have 2 movies coming out, and now 4 more series ( animation, 2 mini series, full series I belive). So, after a drought of 13 years, we now have a buffet! This is good and bad. Don't want to hit over saturation. But in the 90's we had 2 series on and the movies going so it is doable.
So Alex is now going to take on the Berman role in the franchise, Thats good, I belive, Hes a good money man in hollywood , and while his movie stuff stinks on ice, his tv stuff does well, Fringe, Sleepy Hollow etc. Now, he has to go out and get some good show runners/head writers for Discovery and all the rest. I wish him luck (cough Manny Coto, Johnathan Frankes, Roxanne Dawson cough)
So, my take on the series. A Nicholas Meyer directed miniseries would be good. An animation would be so much fun if done right. Maybe the Animated one is the Picard series, have all the characters in it doing voice over. would be cool!
I have high hopes for this, and hope he gets some good quality executive level in there and treat us well!
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