Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!

[jackoverfull]

Precisely. And even in tos we even saw very occasionally red shirts at those stations.

Only thing: by TNG there isn’t a navigation station anymore: Data handles operations and helm and navigation are handled by a single console.

 

[Timo]

Which appears to be true of the 2250s Discovery, too. Although apparently not the 2250s or 2260s Enterprise.

This could well be at the skipper's discretion, and some might choose to dedicate the forward two seats to Helm and Tactical, others to Helm and Sciences. Placing Helm at one of the rear stations and facing away from the main viewer is no doubt fairly seldom done in comparison...

In any case, two goldshirts appears to be the gold standard for both configurations in the 2250s and 2260s, regardless of job descriptions - but two yellowshirts is what we get in the 32nd century, and red vs. yellow is what we most commonly got in the 24th.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Precisely. And even in tos we even saw very occasionally red shirts at those stations.

Only thing: by TNG there isn’t a navigation station anymore: Data handles operations and helm and navigation are handled by a single console.

I must have looked at the wrong blueprints . Conn and Operations Management are the correct terms. Also, bathrooms!

 

[jackoverfull]

Which appears to be true of the 2250s Discovery, too. Although apparently not the 2250s or 2260s Enterprise.

This could well be at the skipper's discretion, and some might choose to dedicate the forward two seats to Helm and Tactical, others to Helm and Sciences. Placing Helm at one of the rear stations and facing away from the main viewer is no doubt fairly seldom done in comparison...

In any case, two goldshirts appears to be the gold standard for both configurations in the 2250s and 2260s, regardless of job descriptions - but two yellowshirts is what we get in the 32nd century, and red vs. yellow is what we most commonly got in the 24th.

Timo Saloniemi

wait, Owo does ops, not navigation?!

Oh well, the issue has been there since the NX-01 anyway...

 

[DigificWriter]

There's absolutely no narrative reason for the Helm/Nav/CONN positions to be in the Command Division, so moving them to the Operations Division streamlines things considerably.

It should also be noted/remembered that the Discovery actually has two official Operations Officers on its bridge, with the second assigned specifically to handle, monitor, and assess the Spore Drive.

It should also be noted/remembered that the Spore Drive Ops position can be filled by either Ops Division personnel (Nilsson) or Sciences Division personnel (Airiam).

 

[Timo]

Not sure there's an "issue". That somebody from the Navigation Department would have to be on the bridge, rather than down at the Chart Room or something, might depend on mission, technology or doctrine. As of the TNG era, consoles are configurable at the push of a button anyway, and quite possibly were that back in ENT already; Conn and Ops appear to have swapped places on Picard's ship after "Encounter at Farpoint", and LaForge can check in and out on a bridge Engineering station at will.

Really, it has always been a bit iffy that the presence of somebody from Engineering is optional. Scotty could spend all his time with his wee bairns, but there should be a representative up there to preprocess the messages flowing to and from Kirk, and usually we do have at least one redshirt to spare. Why would other starships be different? Discovery is notorious here, in having spore people on the bridge but no solid connection to the department that keeps the ship working and moving in general; S4 has room for improvement on this!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

IMO, part of the reason that the Command vs Operations issue for Helm/Navigation/CONN is that Starfleet typically uses only two departments, whereas in the RW this would be at least three departments (Engineering (inc below decks Weapons and Comms crews), Deck (inc Flight, Security and Bridge/CIC personnel) and Command (CO, XO, COB/CMC)).

 

[Karnbeln]

Really, it has always been a bit iffy that the presence of somebody from Engineering is optional. Scotty could spend all his time with his wee bairns, but there should be a representative up there to preprocess the messages flowing to and from Kirk, and usually we do have at least one redshirt to spare. Why would other starships be different?

I always liked that Voyager had an Engineering station on the bridge that B’Elanna would work at whenever they needed her in a scene with the bridge crew. (And it was out of the way enough to not always be in the shot, so maybe there was a nameless ensign there when she was in engineering?)

 

[jackoverfull]

I always liked that Voyager had an Engineering station on the bridge that B’Elanna would work at whenever they needed her in a scene with the bridge crew. (And it was out of the way enough to not always be in the shot, so maybe there was a nameless ensign there when she was in engineering?)

definitely. Same goes for any of the enterprise, the engineering station on the bridge is quite standard.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes, in the TOS era colors they were supposed to have the same color uniforms. But they probably should have different colors if they now follow the TNG coloring.

Bit crazy the Next Gen colour scheme has lasted 800 years at this point, especially since Discovery started off by retconning gold/silver/bronze into the uniform designs.

 

[Timo]

Then again, we have already seen three permutations - TOS, TNG, USS Kelvin. If Starfleet keeps permuting for 800 years, it's not all that unlikely that they will again hit TNG at total random when the heroes join them. I mean, that's not even coincidence - coincidence would be them hitting the familiar TOS permutation right when relics from the TOS era arrive.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Bit crazy the Next Gen colour scheme has lasted 800 years at this point, especially since Discovery started off by retconning gold/silver/bronze into the uniform designs.

British army have been wearing variations of the same red uniform for as long as that so not impossible

 

[jackoverfull]

I think either the TNG division became customary and remained in use that long or the late 24th century is seen as a golden era starfleet wants to refer to it. Or somewhat random chance. I’m fine with all of these explanations.

More contrived is that they are still using white for medics: in TOS and TNG and so on we never see that and in fact TNG shows us those red medical garments, allegedly a use carried on from WW3, that we never saw in discovery.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Bit crazy the Next Gen colour scheme has lasted 800 years at this point, especially since Discovery started off by retconning gold/silver/bronze into the uniform designs.

I wish they'd go with the 29th century scheme (Relativity). About time BLUE got its due as the command color!

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

More contrived is that they are still using white for medics: in TOS and TNG and so on we never see that and in fact TNG shows us those red medical garments, allegedly a use carried on from WW3, that we never saw in discovery.

I get what you mean about the convenient carry over from 23rd Disco but I do like that medics are a separate colour to science. Pity they didn't use the teal colour of Crushers jacket for the new uniforms

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Pity they didn't use the teal colour of Crushers jacket for the new uniforms

Technically, Beverly's uniform was the same blue as the others, it just faded because (since she wore the same uniform all the time) it was laundered over and over.

When somebody wears blue for the first time, like Picard in "Tapestry", it appears much brighter, but in the end it's all the same blue.

That said, if any medical officers turn up in PIC, I wonder if they'll wear white...

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Technically, Beverly's uniform was the same blue as the others, it just faded because (since she wore the same uniform all the time) it was laundered over and over.

When somebody wears blue for the first time, like Picard in "Tapestry", it appears much brighter, but in the end it's all the same blue.

That said, if any medical officers turn up in PIC, I wonder if they'll wear white...

I meant her jacket which was always a lighter colour than the uniform and often looked aqua or teal

 

[Tomalak]

British army have been wearing variations of the same red uniform for as long as that so not impossible

Britain is just over 300 years old, so there's some way to go yet.

 

[Timo]

Medical coveralls and medical uniform are somewhat separate: medics wore white for ceremonial and practical purposes in the TOS movies, but those were still separate things, and different pairings happen at other times. Again, there might be permutations, with white/white for DSC, blue/red for TNG, but also, say, red/red for some unknown period (and for the Mirror DSC era!). It's just that in the 32nd century, you don't need separate working clothes for mere blood splatter...

You still need fancy black away team armor, apparently, if Burnham in the teaser is to be interpreted that way. Why not shirtsleeves spacewalks at long last? Bring back the TAS belts!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Britain is just over 300 years old, so there's some way to go yet.

Ok then the army of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or it's predecessors on the island of Britain. The Yeoman Warders (Beefeaters) date to the 1500s for instance which I suppose is 500 not 800 years seeing as we are being pedantic