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Agents of SHIELD season 5

"Yeah, you would be that 'No phone, no TV, seven-thirty curfew' kind of mom...you're kind of proving my point with that face."

That said, I'm with Phil. I can definitely see Melinda as a mom and not just because we've seen it in the flashback/forward. There's always been a tender side to her, it's just one we rarely get to see and it's one she wouldn't want to admit to.

I didn't expect to see Tess again, but it's great to have her back, even it's in some weird zombie form. I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one.

So, according to Voss, aliens arrive at Earth and during a face-off with SHIELD, the end of the world happens (presumably something to do with the gravitonium installed in the Zephyr One). The main question that pops in my head is "But what about the Avengers?" The only solution that I can see working within reason is they're off Earth because of the events of Infinity War.

Speaking of gravitonium, Leo resolves a minor issue I had by suggesting that the gravitonium might be responsible for holding Earth together as a crescent. That's good enough of a hand-wave for me. I'm glad the writers had some kind of explanation for that, even if it's barely pseudo-science.

Sorry to see Sinara dying, but I guess it was inevitable. I guess I was wrong about her eventually turning against whiny Kasius, who amps up his whine game by a factor of ten in this episode. Oh, and suddenly he has his own seer? I guess we're suppose to guess who he/she/what that seer is.

With all the knowledge the team has about how things go badly, what stops them from repeating the time loop? Things must get really bad in the past/future.
 
Emh said:
I didn't expect to see Tess again, but it's great to have her back, even it's in some weird zombie form. I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one.
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I'm not sure there is another shoe, it seems like she just got brought back to life with some Kree goop the same as Coulson and Daisy were, and that's that. Unless she starts drawing Kree subway maps on everything...
 
David cgc said:
I'm not sure there is another shoe, it seems like she just got brought back to life with some Kree goop the same as Coulson and Daisy were, and that's that. Unless she starts drawing Kree subway maps on everything...
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Perhaps you're right (my track record certainly isn't good at the moment). There seemed to be something off about her presence here, but I guess that could be chocked up to just being revived from the dead.
 
Emh said:
Sorry to see Sinara dying, but I guess it was inevitable. I guess I was wrong about her eventually turning against whiny Kasius, who amps up his whine game by a factor of ten in this episode. Oh, and suddenly he has his own seer? I guess we're suppose to guess who he/she/what that seer is.
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Not hard to guess. This is a time loop, where the SHIELD team goes through these experiences in 2091, goes back to 2018, endures the destruction of Earth, then uses what they learned in the future to prepare for the remainder of the loop, telling people about their experiences (which is how Virgil, Voss, etc. knew about the "prophecy"). So the events of the immediate future in 2091 might already have been known for 73 years, passed along to someone in the interim. So all Kasius needs is a written text or an informant telling him the details of how the SHIELD team escaped and went back to the past.

Although it seems he would've had to come upon this information only recently, otherwise he would've known all along that Jemma and Daisy didn't come to 2091 alone.
 
Please no.
Tess's revival was a big surprise, but I do agree that it's nice to have her back. Things got noisy in the house for a minute, so I missed how Kasius brought her back.
We also got some stuff for Mack and Yo-Yo here.
I'm glad we finally got the Gravitonium explanation for how the ended up the way it did. I'm starting to look like it's somehow involved in whatever destroyed most of the planet.
Not surprised Sinara died, you can only have so many run ins with a character like that before she ends up dead.
I wonder if Deke will stick by his decision not to kill Daisy, or if he'll still end up turning on her at some point?
I wonder if Kasius's seer is someone/thing with actual precognitive abilities, or it they/it have been through the timeloop before?
 
JD said:
I wonder if Kasius's seer is someone/thing with actual precognitive abilities, or it they/it have been through the timeloop before?
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My money is on it being Enoch's future self. Can't see anyone else surviving that long through the time loop, let alone *twice*.
 
Enoch went up time the long way, with Fitz.

No double.

Cassius Knows Yoyo's name.

She's either real famous, or they know each other personally.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Enoch went up time the long way, with Fitz.

No double.
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Going the long way doesn't prohibit you from taking the monolith-express back to the past. We saw that with future-to-us-Fitz in the flashbacks last week. So there could be a duplicate Enoch if they decided to take him with them from the future when they went back in the last cycle.

Which raises a question, actually; it seems that when they go back this time and, presumably, prevent the Earth from being destroyed, there'll still be a Fitz on ice with the Enoch from the past. That's not a problem when the Earth gets destroyed, because the frozen Fitz is just going to ride things out until he's woken up on the destroyed Earth, in order to eventually go back in time and witness the Earth being destroyed, but once the cycle is broken, there won't be anything for him to wait for, but there will also be a Fitz already there.

Oh, my God, Fitz can die, at any moment. They've got a backup! Indeed, unless they're banking on us forgetting about the extra Fitz, he's practically guaranteed to die. Enoch, they can get away with not taking to the past, or with there being two of him, but we can't have two Fitzes. A SHILED team has one Fitz! One Fitz! One Coulson, one Fitz!
 
Guy Gardener said:
Cassius Knows Yoyo's name.

She's either real famous, or they know each other personally.
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The A.V. Club noted that in the last episode, Yo-Yo in the flashback/forward decided to attack whoever was in charge of the Lighthouse at the time. The reviewer speculated that perhaps Kasius was there (although I think that's unlikely considering his demeanor in the "present," more likely he reviewed a record of it) and that's how he knows her name. The reviewer further speculated that perhaps the seer is Yo-Yo herself, possibly one who was held on ice for a long-time (to explain how she could still be alive).
 
I think the other seer is going to be Catherine Dent,the killer military lady from the episode were Fitz travelled to the future. The actress is well known enough to not just be a one-shot baddie and we don't know why she killed the two soldiers who worked for her. That or Coulson from the previous loop.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
I think the other seer is going to be Catherine Dent,the killer military lady from the episode were Fitz travelled to the future. The actress is well known enough to not just be a one-shot baddie and we don't know why she killed the two soldiers who worked for her. That or Coulson from the previous loop.
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Remember, we're only 9 episodes through a 22-episode season, and we're clearly headed for the climax of the arc. So if Dent's character is slated to recur, she's probably meant to play a role in the back half of the season, after the team gets back to the present. I expect the second half to be about the team trying to figure out how the world was destroyed and what they can change to prevent it.
 
My guess is that General Hale, who I except to be one of the villains the team will have to contend with after they get back to the present, is either an LMD or an alien posing as a human.
 
Christopher said:
Remember, we're only 9 episodes through a 22-episode season, and we're clearly headed for the climax of the arc. So if Dent's character is slated to recur, she's probably meant to play a role in the back half of the season, after the team gets back to the present. I expect the second half to be about the team trying to figure out how the world was destroyed and what they can change to prevent it.
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It's possible though we might only see her once and our heros don't know about her also being in the future and thus the audience will know something the characters don't know.. My other guess is it might be that one guy's dad. I haven't remembered his name. Also will that holodeck that was set up early on ever be used again? Seems weird that it feels like that has been all but forgotten. Of course I also felt it was something created to help save on costs by doing something in a contempoary setting while still being in the future.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
Also will that holodeck that was set up early on ever be used again? Seems weird that it feels like that has been all but forgotten.
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I think it was basically just there to establish how Deke (and others) knew about Quake and her alleged role in the destruction of the Earth.

Of course I also felt it was something created to help save on costs by doing something in a contempoary setting while still being in the future.
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Well, this whole season so far has basically been a bottle show on a few standing sets, so they're saving money that way -- right down to having the Zephyr be the resistance base in the future. Or having the entire huge Lighthouse complex be a series of identically laid-out levels so they can use a single set to represent them all.
 
Photoman15 said:
But if they return to the "present" right after they left, no frozen Fitz-cicle.
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They left in 2017. It's 2018 now, and TV shows tend to like to keep things in sync with real time. So most likely they'll return some months after they were taken, and after Fitz's captivity and rescue.
 
Reverend said:
My money is on it being Enoch's future self. Can't see anyone else surviving that long through the time loop, let alone *twice*.
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That actually makes a lot of sense, and seems pretty likely to me.
David cgc said:
Going the long way doesn't prohibit you from taking the monolith-express back to the past. We saw that with future-to-us-Fitz in the flashbacks last week. So there could be a duplicate Enoch if they decided to take him with them from the future when they went back in the last cycle.
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I doubt it, I'm pretty sure she was being set up as either the Big Bad, or a little bad, for the second half of the season.

Tying into that point, they've revealed that Dove Cameron will be playing General Hale's daughter, Ruby, who has a "mysterious obsession" with Daisy.
So it looks like Hale will probably be playing significant role in the back half of the season.
 
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