I thought that Lincoln Lincoln bo-Bincoln was up to something covert all along, because him going rogue was Way Too Obvious.
Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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Yes, quite an eventful episode. Nice switcheroo there, Lincoln for Lash. And Mack almost screwed it up by being too good at his job. 
Definitely too bad about Lash. I was hoping that the cure would somehow allow him to maintain Andrew's personality with Lash's powers. But what did they say about Lash's purpose not being to kill Hive, but to save Daisy? I think they're really straining credulity with this powers-having-a-purpose business. How do the powers know when they're needed? Or where they're needed? Is there a Power God watching over the Inhumans, with knowledge of future events?
And, speaking of Gods, it looks like Mack and YoYo are friends again. And he has the cross. I can't decide if this is an ominous portent or an obvious red herring.
I got a kick out of Coulson's verbal sparring with Talbot-- "I run a tight ship."
Definitely too bad about Lash. I was hoping that the cure would somehow allow him to maintain Andrew's personality with Lash's powers. But what did they say about Lash's purpose not being to kill Hive, but to save Daisy? I think they're really straining credulity with this powers-having-a-purpose business. How do the powers know when they're needed? Or where they're needed? Is there a Power God watching over the Inhumans, with knowledge of future events?
And, speaking of Gods, it looks like Mack and YoYo are friends again. And he has the cross. I can't decide if this is an ominous portent or an obvious red herring.
I got a kick out of Coulson's verbal sparring with Talbot-- "I run a tight ship."
I think that was something Lincoln log said, repeating Jaiyang's belief, so I certainly don't think that's a definite fact.
'Every inhuman has a purpose' I think is more of a comforting belief that a planned system. The powers are too random and activation too chaotic to be some sort of balanced system- considering the terrigenesis is now worldwide thanks to the fish/fishoil inhumans meant to 'match' or balance each other may never be in the same country.
I figured it was becuase if they support the Accords it would help get past the whole HYDRA infiltration thing by showing they were team players.
But the purpose was designed with the idea of the Inhumans being a corps of supersoldiers under Kree control, all living in the same place and being activated en masse by their Kree masters, functioning as an integrated unit. They manifest chaotically because that plan failed, because they were abandoned and set free to mingle with the general population, with their powers emerging piecemeal at best over the subsequent generations. So, by analogy, instead of having a whole set of car parts in one place, you might get a spark plug and a windshield wiper in one generation, a tire valve and an exhaust manifold in the next, an airbag and a headlight in the next, etc.
I agree.
The idea of every inhuman having a purpose works in that context, nut the way things are happening now it doesn't. With the 'car parts' scattered across generations and continents there is no real connection between them. If inhuman 'A' has a intended purpose in relationship to inhuman 'B' that is rendered null and void if they are in different times and locations which prevent them from even getting near each other.
Even if Lash was intended to balance Hive it took a lot of unpredictable events to bring them together. Lash could have lived out his lifespan without ever meeting Hive if Hive had never been able to leave his exile planet.
I guess my point is that the idea that every inhuman has a purpose does not really mean anything now since the car parts are still scattered to the point you do not even know they build a car.
The idea of every inhuman having a purpose works in that context, nut the way things are happening now it doesn't. With the 'car parts' scattered across generations and continents there is no real connection between them. If inhuman 'A' has a intended purpose in relationship to inhuman 'B' that is rendered null and void if they are in different times and locations which prevent them from even getting near each other.
Even if Lash was intended to balance Hive it took a lot of unpredictable events to bring them together. Lash could have lived out his lifespan without ever meeting Hive if Hive had never been able to leave his exile planet.
I guess my point is that the idea that every inhuman has a purpose does not really mean anything now since the car parts are still scattered to the point you do not even know they build a car.
Except that presumably there would've been a potential "Lash" in every generation, the genetic trait for that particular power and compulsion being passed down from one generation to the next. There's no way the Kree could've programmed evolution to somehow wait to produce a power until thousands of years later.
So every generation has the genes for every Inhuman power all at once -- but since not every potential Inhuman has been exposed to Terrigen mists, most of them have gone a lifetime without ever manifesting their powers. They passed the gene on to their offspring so that it survived over time, but it didn't manifest again until someone with that particular gene happened to be exposed to Terrigen, either by design or by accident. So only a small percentage of the potential Inhumans in any generation would actually develop their powers, even though all the potential powers are present in the gene pool all at once.
The idea is that they were meant to have a purpose, not that that purpose has actually been successfully realized. Lots of things have a purpose that they never fulfill. The purpose of the fire extinguisher in my kitchen is to put out fires, but I sure as hell hope I never have to use it. Same for the airbag in my car. Just because a purpose goes unfulfilled, that does not negate the statement that the purpose exists.
That would be Eden Fesi, aka Manifold.
He got name dropped this season already, but has yet to appear.
Eden is a mutant, the son of an X-Man (barely) who seems to be from SHIELD/Avengers comics almost %100 of the time.
Can FOX lay claim to him?
Congratulations Eden.
(Theory) Fathers and sons having the same powers does happen, but it's possible that their "teleportational" powers have nothing to do with whatever their mutant abilities might actually be, considering they both use a quasireligious icon to summon portals.
Are they magic?
Can FOX lay claim to him?
Congratulations Eden.
(Theory) Fathers and sons having the same powers does happen, but it's possible that their "teleportational" powers have nothing to do with whatever their mutant abilities might actually be, considering they both use a quasireligious icon to summon portals.
Are they magic?
But it's weird how everybody seems to have picked up on it, without a lot of skepticism.
I doubt it. They can use Gateway and Marvel probably can't call him a mutant (they clearly won't), but he's not a X-Men character. Just being called a mutant in the comics isn't enough.
It's where their first appearance lays, in which comic book series, which designate which wing of Marvel each Character resides in, whether it's someone Marvel still owns or they absently sold off years ago.
Gateway appeared in Uncanny X-Men first, so FOX owns him, until they don't.
Manifold Appeared in Secret Warriors, so Marvel should still own him, and ABC has access to him under any deal they have to use anyone under the S.H.I.E.L.D. umbrella (Wow? That sounds really redundant.).
But since Manifold is Gateway's son, we might be looking at another intersection here, like we did with the Maximoff "twins" existing in both the FOX and Marvel warchest simultaneously.
Gateway appeared in Uncanny X-Men first, so FOX owns him, until they don't.
Manifold Appeared in Secret Warriors, so Marvel should still own him, and ABC has access to him under any deal they have to use anyone under the S.H.I.E.L.D. umbrella (Wow? That sounds really redundant.).
But since Manifold is Gateway's son, we might be looking at another intersection here, like we did with the Maximoff "twins" existing in both the FOX and Marvel warchest simultaneously.
I don't think it's quite as simple as that. Wolverine first appeared in The Incredible Hulk. Sabretooth first appeared in Iron Fist. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver first appeared in X-Men. Inhumans first appeared in Fantastic Four. The Punisher first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man. I think there may be more examples that I can't think of off the top of my head, too.
There was some controversy over Kang last year.
We all thought that he was an Avengers Character, going to be in an Avengers movie soon because there hadn't been a movie about the Time Stone yet.
He did however appear first as Rama Tut in Fantastic Four comics predating his premiere as Kang in Avengers comics, so FOX owns Kang so long as they own Fantastic Four.
That's the rules explained in possibly the simplest terms.
We all thought that he was an Avengers Character, going to be in an Avengers movie soon because there hadn't been a movie about the Time Stone yet.
He did however appear first as Rama Tut in Fantastic Four comics predating his premiere as Kang in Avengers comics, so FOX owns Kang so long as they own Fantastic Four.
That's the rules explained in possibly the simplest terms.
Thought of more: Rogue first appeared in Avengers Annual. Mystique first appeared in Ms. Marvel. Kingpin also first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man.
I think it's got to be determined more by the preponderance of association with what. I would say Kang/Rama Tut is in the FF camp not simply because he first appeared there, but because he is Reed and Sue's descendant. Plus he's tied to Apocalypse's origin, too, isn't he?
I think it's got to be determined more by the preponderance of association with what. I would say Kang/Rama Tut is in the FF camp not simply because he first appeared there, but because he is Reed and Sue's descendant. Plus he's tied to Apocalypse's origin, too, isn't he?
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First appearance doesn't seem to be the rule. A more accurate rule would be who is the character "associated" with. Otherwise, Marvel would own Sabretooth since he first appeared with Iron Fist.
The Maximoffs were associated with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants before they became associated with the Avengers. Even after they were Avengers, there's House of M and Son of M tying them to X-characters. Have Gateway and Manifold even appeared in the same book together for more than a page?
Kang is obviously the hard one to explain. I think the simple answer is some of his other identities are clearly associated with the Fantastic Four. If we consider the character as a whole and not just Kang, that seems fair (although no one cares about the other identities).
You don't know about Iron-Lad who founded the Young Avengers?
Teen-Fricking-kang.
Although this cover makes me tingly in my happy place.
Immortus is a Shady ####.
Teen-Fricking-kang.
Although this cover makes me tingly in my happy place.
Immortus is a Shady ####.
Predicted ending to the finale:
Coulson’s on the quinjet and is apparently killed when it explodes. Unbeknownst to the team Coulson is transported back to the 1940s and comes face to face with space nazis.
Just kidding
Coulson’s on the quinjet and is apparently killed when it explodes. Unbeknownst to the team Coulson is transported back to the 1940s and comes face to face with space nazis.
Just kidding
