Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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But if there were two, it'd be called a Duolith.
Destroy one monolith, two more shall take its place!
I had a pimple like that once.
I think we can all agree that having Hydra turn out to have been behind this (or indeed, anything else ever again) would quite possibly be the *least* interesting thing they could do with it.
I'd much rather see them expand the mythos than contract it and with properties like Iron Fist and Doctor Strange on the horizon, there's plenty of potential to explore there.
I'd much rather see them expand the mythos than contract it and with properties like Iron Fist and Doctor Strange on the horizon, there's plenty of potential to explore there.
Both shows are connected to the movies, but it would require lawyers I'd think, to cross over elements of Iron Fist (From Marvel Netflix) with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Marvel ABC), since what's happened is that Netflix and ABC each bought limited rights to use a small stable of strictly itemized characters (semi?)exclusively in the "tv" medium over the course of a defined period. If ABC and Netflix CONSPIRED to link universes without Marvel's approval, it'd be a breach of contract dealio surely, especially if Money changes hands between ABC and Netflix, which is an almost certainty, even if the mutual serendipity of any crossover cancels out a need for graft, you'll still wind up with Clark Greg getting a check from Netflix to play Coulson or/and Debra Anne Woll getting a check from ABC to play Karen Page, even though ABC does not have the rights to use Karen and Netflix does not have the rights to use Phil.
Marvel might agree to let this pass, but would Marvel agree to let this pass without getting a piece of the action? Although to avoid answering the door to Mr Cock Up, they could easily be paid in leverage or future favours rather than outright cash on the day, since whatever happens short of the latest Fantastic Four Movie, galvanizes the brand.
Marvel might agree to let this pass, but would Marvel agree to let this pass without getting a piece of the action? Although to avoid answering the door to Mr Cock Up, they could easily be paid in leverage or future favours rather than outright cash on the day, since whatever happens short of the latest Fantastic Four Movie, galvanizes the brand.
Most of the characters in AoS haven't had anyone to make out with or hold hands with since the show began. Coulson, so far as we know, has literally not gotten laid since he was resurrected until this week. Do we take this to mean that Coulson is chaste? Or Tripp?
Those circumstances are huge. You can't brush them aside.
No, I don't know. But it's extremely demeaning language.
"Jumping into the sack after only six months."
Like six months is some unreasonably short period of time.
Says who?
If nothing else, the deleted scene from S1 tells us what the writers' intentions are with the Simmons character. And their intentions are decidedly not that she is "chaste."
The only "political view" I have of women in general is that they are people and that we shouldn't demean women's sexuality.
You are the one with a weird hang-up over the idea of female "chastity."
Speaking of Fitz, the brother ought to try just a tad harder. When he and Simmons were watching the sunrise, and she reiterates her deep potential feelings for him and immediately after asks what they should do, he can't even ask to hold her hand for a few moments? Come on, hombre! The journey of a thousand miles begins with a few steps!
Well, that's the thing about Fitz -- he now knows that Simmons loves him. But he also knows that she loves Will. And he's not going to prematurely try to force a decision out of her. Because he loves her.
The entire concept of "friendzoning" someone is so sexist that I have trouble taking this argument seriously.
This.
No, he knows full well how she feels about Will. She made it very clear to him in "4,722 Hours."
but sometimes you gotta go with Kirk Lazarus from Tropic Thunder: "Nah! It's simple as pie man: you plant your feet on the ground, you look her square in the eyes you say "Hey! baby, you and me's goin' on a date, that's the end of the story."
... I really think that asserting they will go on a date without actually asking her might not be the best move. And by that, I mean, might earn him a slapping.
Yeah, I don't think it's Hydra now. It does start to suggest that maybe it's some organization with a relationship to the Monster, though -- as though they're providing it with human sacrifices over the centuries.
I think you are severely underestimating the ability of constant danger, malnutrition, dehydration, and general trauma to influence human psychology here and prompt people to give up hope. It's not like she was in a beach in Malibu.
Yep.
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Oh, and I for one hate the idea of either Hydra or SHIELD being offshoots of some ancient secret society bullshit.
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According to Entertainment Weekly, something's coming up with Fitz and Simmons next episode.
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Let's put it this way....However one feels about the concept of ancient conspiracy groups, AoS definitely seems to be setting one up as a story element. That being the case, it would be more meaningful if it tied into things that have already bee established in the MCU, rather than being some completely disconnected new faction. Perhaps this group still exists as a distinct entity, and didn't just morph into HYDRA during WWII. Rather, it may have influenced HYDRA...perhaps via infiltration--a conspiracy within a conspiracy.
They can do that if they want to, but I don't see any reason to believe it would be more 'meaningful'. People are talking like the MCU is filled with huge conspiracy organizations to the point that any new one would be too much, but how many have we really had? Hydra, Ten Rings, Aim, and the Inhumans (if they even count). There's plenty of room out there to fill in still, and having another organization in the mix would not be such a terrible thing, as long as it wasn't just some flash in the night here for one story and then never heard from again.
I don't agree. It wouldn't be meaningful, it would be repetitive. The show has done Hydra. It would be boring if they artificially restricted themselves to merely doing endless variations of the same theme. I argued the same thing last year when people were expecting the Gonzales thing to be just a copy of the first season's SHIELD-vs-Hydra plot, and I was right -- the writers didn't just copy what they'd done before, but instead introduced something new. They expanded the show's universe, rather than just remaining within the same bubble. And I believe that's what they're doing now. Yes, there's clearly a centuries-old society involved with the monolith; but no, I don't believe they have any intention of making it just another variation of Hydra.
That's not true. ABC and Netflix don't own the shows, Marvel owns both and can use all the characters interchangeably. The only catch is Marvel film side has veto power (as a matter of policy, not as a matter of legal rules). Everything else is limited by schedules and by creative desire, not by contract law.
This is entirely different from the situations with Fox and Sony, where the properties are leased out and those companies can block use of a character absent a new agreement (which will almost certainly involve lawyers).
Live and learn.
Thank you for the correction.
Thank you for the correction.
We know that they're gonna get Will back soon, and that he survived his encounter with the specter, because drama, but they don't know that, and to me, Simmons asking what they should do was a pretty clear signal to him that he doesn't have to hold back entirely on Will's account.
(Heck, even if/when they do get him back, he'll likely need a lot more time to put his life back together, owing to his much longer absence, and while I'm sure SHIELD could find some use for him, it's just as likely he'd want to live a peaceful and quiet life somewhere tropical, and not be dealing with various crises all the time.)
So, yeah, I stand by my recommendation to Fitz that he not nobly make no move whatsoever.
She's not in love with Will.
Maybe if she's an (emotional) idiot, Jemma thinks that she's in love with Will.
But she ain't.
It was the situation and the sex.
"Sex doesn't equal love. Hell, these days sex doesn't even equal dinner and a movie."
American Gothic.
Maybe if she's an (emotional) idiot, Jemma thinks that she's in love with Will.
But she ain't.
It was the situation and the sex.
"Sex doesn't equal love. Hell, these days sex doesn't even equal dinner and a movie."
American Gothic.
It's all rather academic at this point. It doesn't matter what Simmons does or doesn't feel for Will: you do not leave one of your own behind. The fact is she owes him her life and Fitz owes him for keeping Simmons alive and sane and they both know it.
Any social awkwardness that may result from Will being back is very silly and shallow thing to be concerned about when weighed against a person's life and freedom.
That said, it's worth keeping in mind that thank to Simmons never shutting up about him for 4 straight months, Will knows all about Fitz and may well opt to be the bigger man and bow out. I mean I'm sure he has family that he'd like to see again, no?
Any social awkwardness that may result from Will being back is very silly and shallow thing to be concerned about when weighed against a person's life and freedom.
That said, it's worth keeping in mind that thank to Simmons never shutting up about him for 4 straight months, Will knows all about Fitz and may well opt to be the bigger man and bow out. I mean I'm sure he has family that he'd like to see again, no?
The more I think about it, the less I want it to be Hydra. We already have them being connected to the ATCU story, they really don't need to be the ones behind everything bad or potentially bad happening in the universe.
Secret Empire? The One Thousand?
Wouldn't it be fun if it was something ordinary?
"Are you working for Hydra?"
"Hell no. The Chinese."
Wouldn't it be fun if it was something ordinary?
"Are you working for Hydra?"
"Hell no. The Chinese."
My fingers are crossed for it to be the V-Battalion.
Will Daniels is...Citizen V! Justice like lightning!
