Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Guy Gardener]

The Will actor, Dillon Casey was a love interest for the pretty waitress, Lyndsy Fonseca on Agent Carter, back when they were on Nikita together.

Hmmm?

Dillion was born in 1983, which would make him 18 in 2001.

Maybe the character is older than than the actor, but that's quite young for an astronaut.

Sally Ride. Sally Kristen Ride (May 26, 1951 – July 23, 2012) was an American physicist and astronaut. Born in Los Angeles, she joined NASA in 1978 and became the first American woman in space in 1983. She remains the youngest American astronaut to have traveled to space, having done so at the age of 32.

Maybe Monolith + 2001 wasn't the writers telling a bad joke, but it was Jemma weaving a neon "go fuck yourself" into her giant lie quilt? Or she's being "monitored" and that's her nodnod winkwink that something hinky is up without alerting the people who put a bomb in her brain that she's trying to double cross her new insect overlords?

 

[Reverend]

Yes, if she was back to a position of rest and out of the shit, I would agree, but Will was still lost back there on Kree Space... "Oh God, you didn't save Will, we have to go back for Will!"

It was still all hands on deck because the trauma was still ongoing until Will will have been saved.

Unless "I've lost Will" is what broke her?

Which would seem to suggest "love" more than friendship.

I'm wondering if she's lying about what happened, if last week was just a cock and bull story, or if that's not Jemma?

I see the problem here. You're trying to ascribe rational logic to someone who's been emotionally and physically traumatised. It's pretty unrealistic to expect someone suffering from sensory disorientation, malnutrition and PTSD to suddenly turn on a dime, psychologically speaking. Part of her clearly doesn't want to go anywhere near the place again, part of her probably hates the other part for being so selfish and part of her brain has probably just gone "NOPE!" in general and closed up shop until the universe starts making sense again.

Also, in fairness it's worth remembering that she didn't know for sure if Will even survived. Last she saw, he was going to try and slow down the dust storm monster known for fostering suicidal madness, mass graves and astronaut cosplay. It's fair to say that it took her a while to even begin to process what happened, let alone assemble a coherent enough thought on how to start to deal with what happen and how to deal with Fitz.

Dillion was born in 1983, which would make him 18 in 2001.

Maybe the character is older than than the actor, but that's quite young for an astronaut.

Or maybe he's been dead for 14 years! *dramatic chord*

Seriously though, if they do a "Simmons is impregnated with a half-skrull space baby" story I shall be most displeased.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Seriously though, if they do a "Simmons is impregnated with a half-skrull space baby" story I shall be most displeased.

If it rapidly grows into in clone of astronaut guy that minds controls Simmons into loving him and they treat this as romantic for some reason, are we allowed to get pitchforks ?

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Deanna Troi can weather that cross, so can Jemma Simmons.

 

[kitik]

Although on second thought, if it were just about rescuing someone in need, why would she have kept quiet about it? Why not immediately tell the others that there was still someone back there? So maybe she feels guilty about her tryst with him, which would indicate she still has feelings for Fitz.

Or maybe she's spent the past week or two trying to figure out if Will was really real, or just the alien planet trying to trick her, which perhaps she suspected all along.

Or maybe she just made the whole Will story up, and there's some other reason she wants to go back.

Or maybe it's exactly what she says it is.

 

[Marsden]

If it rapidly grows into in clone of astronaut guy that minds controls Simmons into loving him and they treat this as romantic for some reason, are we allowed to get pitchforks ?

Ms. Marvel. I hope not.


Maybe the physiological changes of being back in the different atmosphere and gravity had left her disoriented. She did seem much worse when returned than her story showed but maybe the effects of the transition caught up to her.

And I've always thought Fitz is like a brother to Simmons, in her mind. She loves him, but like a brother. He is so deep in the friend zone, no amount of gestures will find him out of it.

 

[gblews]

1) After Jemma was rescued, Fitz brought Jemma out for dinner and when he offered her a wine toast, Jemma broke down and started crying. It reminded her of drinking with Will while waiting for the sun to rise back on the planet.

Speculation. Although you could be right (or wrong), I interpreted that scene as Simmons just becoming overwhelmed by suddenly being thrust back into the real world after her ordeal.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He told her he loved her during a near death experience.

He did die?

(Lots of CPR?)

That's how you break out of the phantom zone.

Sorry.

I mean "Friends Zone".

Of course, then Leo was almost a different person after the oxygen deprivation killed some important real estate in his brain... So she waited a year until there was a another near death experience big enough to counteract her doddering Englishnessness.

They're into each other like they're halfway through a 40 year marriage.

 

[Reverend]

Or maybe she just made the whole Will story up, and there's some other reason she wants to go back.

I was going to say that there are way too many specific details for that to be likely, but then I recall her over-preparing her cover identity back-story when she and Coulson posed as father and daughter back in season 1.
So it's not inconsistent for her to have a detailed imagination and she was alone for a good month or so before encountering him, so that's plenty of time for a psychotic break.

That said, I honestly doubt it because why go down that route storywise? The revelation that he wasn't would logically come *before* she left, otherwise we have this futile plot of her wanting to get back and then maybe she manages it...and then what? Find and empty cave, her mobile phone with hours and hours of her talking to herself and not trace of anything NASA related? That's a dead end story.

Maybe the physiological changes of being back in the different atmosphere and gravity had left her disoriented. She did seem much worse when returned than her story showed but maybe the effects of the transition caught up to her.

Look at it this way, when she arrived in "hell" she was well fed, rested and more or less confident that help (probably) wouldn't be long in coming. The different environment basically consisted of a slightly higher gravity field and low light levels, so basically like walking into a dark room with a few extra pounds of weight to deal with.

Coming back however she was malnourished, injured, subjected to blight lights, noises feeling lighter and therefore more clumsy than she'd been used to and having to deal with many other people for the first time in half a year. This all adds up to sensory overload, so being withdrawn and overwhelmed is to be expected.

 

[Photoman15]

And I've always thought Fitz is like a brother to Simmons, in her mind. She loves him, but like a brother. He is so deep in the friend zone, no amount of gestures will find him out of it.

If he's like a brother to her, then he's in the "Brother-Zone" which is WAY worse than the "Friend-Zone". You can get out of the Friend-Zone, but it is very very rare to get out of the Brother-Zone.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They don't make laws to stop friends boffing.

If a humongous armed police force is necessary to stop brothers and sisters mounting each other, then the sibling zone seems like a much more hazardous local to restrain sexually active morons inside of, than the Friendzone.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Or maybe she just made the whole Will story up, and there's some other reason she wants to go back.

The tag at the end of the episode would suggest otherwise.

Somehow, I'm seeing a Cochrane/Companion-esqe relationship between Will and "It".

 

[The Old Mixer]

Well...looks like a certain popular theory was very right.

Odd how they're still dancing around the subject of a monster being able to change into a regular guy, like they'd never heard of such a thing before.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I don't think they sound shocked by the concept, just the specifics of how to deal with it. There's no need to namedrop characters just to show they're aware this is a thing.

 

[Christopher]

Odd how they're still dancing around the subject of a monster being able to change into a regular guy, like they'd never heard of such a thing before.

I was wondering if that might be because Universal technically still has the Hulk film rights, so maybe Marvel would've had to pay them royalties for a Hulk mention or something. But apparently that's not the case; Marvel has the full rights and Universal just has first refusal on the distribution of any future Hulk film.

You know, at first, when they revealed the face of that gray-haired guy Strucker was talking to and treated it like some big surprise revelation (with a delayed reveal of his face accompanied by a dramatic music sting), I had no idea who it was. Then I remembered seeing Powers Boothe's name in the credits, which reminded me of a recent news item about Boothe reprising his role as a member of the World Security Council from The Avengers. So I guess we're supposed to be surprised that the Council had a high-ranking HYDRA infiltrator on it, but that's not too great a surprise, given that Robert Redford was one too.

Hunter really should be fired after the stunts he's pulled. Loose cannons are too dangerous. Besides, Bobbi and May make a better team anyway.

I'm not sure whether Rosalind was finally being honest at the end there about her husband, or if it was just one more layer of her effort to manipulate Coulson. Either way, she may think that what she's doing is for the Inhumans' benefit, but it's still morally questionable and less concerned with their consent than Coulson's approach.

 

[Mr Light]

I heard a theory about who Lash was but I didn't believe it at all. I was greatly surprised by that. Look forward to the explanation.

I was also surprised to see Powers Boothe was Hydra, but looking back on it, isn't he the one who ordered Fury to nuke Manhattan?

 

[The Old Mixer]

I was wondering if that might be because Universal technically still has the Hulk film rights, so maybe Marvel would've had to pay them royalties for a Hulk mention or something. But apparently that's not the case; Marvel has the full rights and Universal just has first refusal on the distribution of any future Hulk film.

Yeah, they've referenced both Banner and the Hulk on the show before.

I wonder if the Hulk's alter ego is still generally a secret and classified even to SHIELD agents? Did AoU establish otherwise?

You know, at first, when they revealed the face of that gray-haired guy Strucker was talking to and treated it like some big surprise revelation (with a delayed reveal of his face accompanied by a dramatic music sting), I had no idea who it was. Then I remembered seeing Powers Boothe's name in the credits, which reminded me of a recent news item about Boothe reprising his role as a member of the World Security Council from The Avengers.

Yeah, they seriously needed to remind us who we was supposed to be, because I had no idea until just now.

 

[kitik]

Okay, so one thing we discovered this week is that Will is actually a real person, as evidenced by the files Fitz had found on him. Doesn't necessarily mean that the Will that Simmons met on that planet is still the same Will, but at least he's not totally imaginary.

Hunter. What the heck.

As for Lash, they gave it away when Andrew asked Daisy if she got a good look at Lash when she turned human.

 

[Guy Gardener]

14 years and he looks unaged.

I had a fabulous thought.

Q. Why didn't S.H.I.E.L.D. know that N.A.S.A. had the Monolith?

A. How many Monoliths are there? Seriously, there could be 40 Monoliths on Earth, and another thousand sprinkled throughout the solar system.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Okay, so one thing we discovered this week is that Will is actually a real person, as evidenced by the files Fitz had found on him. Doesn't necessarily mean that the Will that Simmons met on that planet is still the same Will, but at least he's not totally imaginary.

Indeed...the fact that Fitz is looking into him and doesn't want Simmons to know would indicate that he finds something suspicious in Jemma's story.