Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Christopher]

Astronauts should need to be sterilized, or maybe castrated first before they're sent out into deep space.

Why?

They could potentially be the last humans at some point and may need to procreate.

Deep space is full of radiation. The risk of birth defects would be greatly increased. I've seen various SF works positing that long-term space travelers would donate their gametes and undergo sterilization before going out there. Although castration would make no sense.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It would stop idiots falling in love and doing something stupid, or getting horny and doing something stupid.

The Mars Missions. The one way Mars Missions currently being planned. One of the arguably genius parameters under scrutiny is about sending up pre-existing couples on the mission. Which sounds superb. Unless half way to Mars they get into an argument and break up.

Someone's going to get spaced out an airlock.

 

[Nerys Myk]

12 year old me did not understand how that movie was on regular TV.

Did it give you funny feelings in irregular places?

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, I knew what a boner was.

 

[SeamusShameless]

By saying that she was cheating on Fitz with Will, or that Fitz can't trust Simmons to keep her legs shut or that he can't pursue Simmons because she was an unfaithful monster with no respect for the dibs he tagged Jemma with, that needed to be honored even if she was offplanet and doomed.

(It's possible I imagined that anything like this had been said. It has been a long day. Let's take a look... )

Yeah, I don't remember anyone saying any of those.

Yeah, I never said that Simmons cheated on Fitz, I was just lamenting the fact that Fitz can't seem to catch a break.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because she was wrong not to let Will's penis jump the penis queue?

Is fate and the universe to blame for Jemma making Jemma's decisions, or is Jemma's callous disregard for Fitz's diligent queuing to blame for Jemma acting like a fully actualized person allowed to make inconsequential choices about her sexual future-history?

Remember Rachel's reaction to meeting Julie on Friends?

Even unintential cockblocking is malicious.

(The female version of cockblocking is called beaver damming.)

Fitz is however beyond mature, and doesn't see Will as a threat or care if Will is a threat, just that he's an Astronaut who needs to be saved... Which incidentally looks sexy as hell, doesn't it?

Saving Jemma's maybe boyfriend, will give Fitz a leg up to getting a leg over.

 

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Say what?

Why are you determined that Gemma did something wrong? She was trapped with this guy, possibly forever, and stressed out to the max. They were both nice people and they bonded, ultimately having sex. There's nothing more normal than that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, sir.

I was trying to get Seamus to see that the heart of what he was saying was vulgar by cutting away the civil fat framing his language and repeating back what he'd just said.

There is no world where I am winning this conversation.

 

[RJDiogenes]

What did Seamus say that was vulgar? That Fitz can't catch a break? What are you seeing that the rest of the universe isn't?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Barely vulgar.

A tiny blip on the scale of things.

Claiming that a man should feel sad because a woman is happy is a little bent, but not that bent. Fitz has put a lot of energy and effort into proving that he loves her, which unfortunately in the real world (and most fake worlds) doesn't count for Jack because she didn't ask him to love her and isn't indebted to him for handing over all that love she didn't ask for.

I'm still not completely sure if you know what slutshaming is RJ.

It's not something a woman does, it's something that is done to her by everyone/someone else observing and judging her, & then manipulating that woman into feeling shame by calling her a slut, or listing her degree of promiscuity publicly, when she's most likely done nothing wrong or abnormal.

It's a very precise and narrowly defined method of bullying.

So when all this started, what I said was "Stop bullying Jemma".

I also apologised and said that I was reading too much into nothing (or words to that effect) and we should have moved on.

Godfather quote.

 

[Forbin]

Is "beaver damming" a real expression, or did you just make that up?
'Cause I SO want to use it in real life.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Heard it in a sitcom years ago.

I don't think the phrase ever gained any real traction.

I googled the term "vage vading" and top two results were me using it, in 2009.

I might have also invented Box-blocking. Nope. There's a 2004 entry for box blocking in the urban dictionary, but the Seth Green roadtrip movie Sex Drive said "twot blocking" all on it's own.

 

[Mage]

^^ Say what?

Why are you determined that Gemma did something wrong? She was trapped with this guy, possibly forever, and stressed out to the max. They were both nice people and they bonded, ultimately having sex. There's nothing more normal than that.

Had it been the sex, I would have totally got it. But it seemed that, in a relative short time, she had not only gotten over Fitz, but fell had over heals in love this Will. I dunno.... I felt slightly disappointed that the whole big reason for her to go back is some guy she met.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is she in love with Will?

Did it take a week to "remember" that he existed?

 

[Christopher]

Had it been the sex, I would have totally got it. But it seemed that, in a relative short time, she had not only gotten over Fitz, but fell had over heals in love this Will. I dunno.... I felt slightly disappointed that the whole big reason for her to go back is some guy she met.

That might be reading too much into it. I mean, even if they hadn't become lovers, she wouldn't have just left him there once she was rescued. She'd still try to save him because he's a friend and a partner in adversity, and simply because he's a human being who needs help. So the simple fact that she wants to rescue a person in danger doesn't prove that she's fallen hopelessly and eternally in love with him. Their sexual relationship could've just been an expression of comfort and camaraderie.

Although on second thought, if it were just about rescuing someone in need, why would she have kept quiet about it? Why not immediately tell the others that there was still someone back there? So maybe she feels guilty about her tryst with him, which would indicate she still has feelings for Fitz.

 

[Mage]

Had it been the sex, I would have totally got it. But it seemed that, in a relative short time, she had not only gotten over Fitz, but fell had over heals in love this Will. I dunno.... I felt slightly disappointed that the whole big reason for her to go back is some guy she met.

That might be reading too much into it. I mean, even if they hadn't become lovers, she wouldn't have just left him there once she was rescued. She'd still try to save him because he's a friend and a partner in adversity, and simply because he's a human being who needs help. So the simple fact that she wants to rescue a person in danger doesn't prove that she's fallen hopelessly and eternally in love with him. Their sexual relationship could've just been an expression of comfort and camaraderie.

Although on second thought, if it were just about rescuing someone in need, why would she have kept quiet about it? Why not immediately tell the others that there was still someone back there? So maybe she feels guilty about her tryst with him, which would indicate she still has feelings for Fitz.

I suppose guilt/confusion has a lot to do with not telling anyone. That was the part that bothered me the most. Not telling anyone that another human being might still be there.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Remember how Will thought that she was imaginary in the beginning, maybe Jemma thought that he was imaginary in the end?

Although if Jemma was mentally fine right up till the point she came back, what the #### was so traumatising about coming home?

How we found her in the crumbs of the monolith, she seemed to have been barking for weeks and mostly shut down, which is a narrative her story did not reflect.

 

[Reverend]

Remember how Will thought that she was imaginary in the beginning, maybe Jemma thought that he was imaginary in the end?

Although if Jemma was mentally fine right up till the point she came back, what the #### was so traumatising about coming home?

How we found her in the crumbs of the monolith, she seemed to have been barking for weeks and mostly shut down, which is a narrative her story did not reflect.

That's why it's called "post-traumatic stress disorder" as opposed to...uh..."concurrent-traumatic stress disorder"?

Generally it kicks in after the person gets back to civilization.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yes, if she was back to a position of rest and out of the shit, I would agree, but Will was still lost back there on Kree Space... "Oh God, you didn't save Will, we have to go back for Will!"

It was still all hands on deck because the trauma was still ongoing until Will will have been saved.

Unless "I've lost Will" is what broke her?

Which would seem to suggest "love" more than friendship.

I'm wondering if she's lying about what happened, if last week was just a cock and bull story, or if that's not Jemma?

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

I saw her reluctance to speak about Will as just sparing Fitz's feelings. Poor guy had just risked his life to save her -- maybe she was giving him a few days before delivering information that he may not take well. The last time she (sort of) rejected him, he didn't take it well. At all.