Adam Baldwin and Conventions
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Was there some reason you felt you couldn't just leave it at the notification you already sent? What, you didn't get your way within a couple hours --during the Superbowl, no less-- so you decided to make your complaint public? It's being discussed behind the scenes, and if the other mods feel the thread should be shut down, then it will be. But don't try and force the issue.
The thread isn't off topic at all. Just because you aren't aware or are apathetic about the subject matter doesn't make it off-topic. Adam Baldwin coined the name GamerGate and has been one of its biggest boosters and has participated in criticizing Ms. Sarkeesian, the subject of the current discussion.
You already expressed your opinion that you aren't concerned about Baldwin's opinion and the related fallout, so why do you care if others are interested in continuing the discussion? Misinformation is being spread and they want to counter it. Closing the thread does nothing to address said misinformation.
Mods are allowed to participate in the debates here, and I find it a bit irritating that you're not only telling us how to do our jobs but mini-modding the thread as well and insisting that it be shut down.
A good post about the present situation of GamerGate and harassment
GamerGate may be fading, but its harassment never ends
GamerGate may be fading, but its harassment never ends
Indeed it could.
This indicates a personal proclivity of Baldwin.
And a propensity to incite.
Indeed. And although it might not be productive to take the action of such a petition is a meaningful move of protest against egregiousness.
I very much appreciate your action regarding this matter.
Incorrect. It is about organized mass focused hatred using threats of violence and violation and fear.
Indeed.
Thank you.
I have also enjoyed him as an actor, though this matter supercedes that for me.
Thank you.
Agreed.
Exactly.
Rage filled rants & hatred. Which 'is' the signature being used, which these protests are attempting to stand against.
Indeed! Thank you.
Correct. And as a contributor I definitely do NOT see it as worthless.
Yes, indiscriminately feeding rage and hate.
Yes. They have become extremely focused at using fear in their attacks.
This.
Loss of attendance would cause financial problems. Loss of control could move into an entirely different ballpark.
It does make it a question worth addressing when considering having a guest who might, or in Baldwin's case at this point in time and with the active protest against his alleged participation in this thing that is supported by his proclivity to incite and propensity to inflame, be a focal point for close to the bone financial jeopardy.
Yes, which does clearly weaken the journalism beard.
Actually, I was very much glad to see them here. Given the subject of Baldwin participating in a convention with all that is going on now I can see how this thread could rapidly have devolved into something worse in presentation and very much worse in content.
Many thanks. And for an important topic too. Conventions can be made or broken in decisions like these.
This is the single most impressive use of the multi-quote function I've ever seen.
As the person who started the thread - I've been reading it virtually everyday. There has been no decision yet, even with another Firefly guest announced last week. The issue has gone rather quiet on the convention scene here. Thankfully there have no more doxxing of female cosplayers.
I can't even multi-quote like that. Once I get past like 2 different people the text starts disappearing in the quotes. Or something. Something goes very wrong. I have to start multiple multi-quote windows and cut and paste.
Mini-modding? Yeah, like nobody does that.
I expressed an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry if I didn't wait the required amount of time before making my opinion public.
Also sorry if you found my opinions irritating. I do tend to irritate people at times. It's just one of the benefits of getting old. I'm enjoying it.
But I think that even if mods and admins are allowed to participate in discussion they should be held to a higher standard. You may disagree. That's ok, no skin off my butt.
Anyway, have a nice day.
Ummm... no.
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Telling someone that you have their parent's address isn't the same as posting it online.
So now that I have found you in error on something, I can now invalidate every single argument you have ever made?
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Where did I say she sought them out?
If she did anything that was worthy of respect or empathy, I'd have it for her. Getting threats online doesn't make a person worthy of empathy. Unless you are a professional victim, that is. As I have said, millions of people get threats on the Internet. People have been "swatted", which is far far more dangerous and likely to result in injury or death than fake Twitter threats.
In any regard, I've said my opinion on her. Since doing so has done nothing but cause a verbal sh@t-storm, I am letting the matter rest.
'Empathy' implies that the individual feeling empathy has experienced the same feeling as another individual because they have experienced the same thing within their personal frame of reference.
If neither of you has received rape/death threats, then neither of you should feel empathy in this situation.
If neither of you has received rape/death threats, then neither of you should feel empathy in this situation.
Empathy: the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
The capacity to sympathize and empathize are considered vital for a sense of humanity — i.e., the ability to understand one's fellow humans and their problems.
A nice quote I saw once was "Empathy is when I feel your pain in my heart".
The capacity to sympathize and empathize are considered vital for a sense of humanity — i.e., the ability to understand one's fellow humans and their problems.
A nice quote I saw once was "Empathy is when I feel your pain in my heart".
Nope.
See, I kind of suspected that behind the passive-aggressive "why are you people talking about this" stuff earlier was a discomfort with seeing people display empathy for Sarkeesian. Thanks for coming clean about that.
And for demonstrating that you don't know what "empathy" means. Empathy is the capacity to place yourself in another's shoes, not the capacity to sympathize with things you have directly experienced. So your "point," as far as it goes, strikes me as thoroughly inane (in addition to amounting to a rather skeevy demand that people shouldn't be supportive of women who are the focus of harassment campaigns).
I think you're correct, and I've been slightly off on my understanding of what the word 'empathy' means. I checked more than a couple references, and it seems to be agreed that it's related to being able to imagine yourself in the position of another. Vicariously walking in another man's (or woman's) shoes.
My apologies.
My apologies.
I feel I must respond to this because that's not really how empathy works. When we empathize with others we mentally take on their perspective or put ourselves in their place. In doing this we take on the emotional response we would expect ourselves to have in that situation (it's a kind of mimicry). In other words, I don't have to get raped to understand at least some of the emotional responses that would result from that situation, ergo I can empathize in the situation.
My take on this whole thing is that Adam Baldwin is truly nuts if he thinks convention-goers are going to be receptive to having him at conventions from now on. Many con-goers are certainly familiar with marginalization, so someone who is noted for being less than receptive to, shall we say, diversity might not be the best guest. I don't get his game, it seems like he shot himself in the foot here.
Edit: ignore the bit about empathy, I see others already responded. Wow, you guys are fast!
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