Actors/characters/plots/ships/etc. you want to see in Star Trek XII?

[T'Cal]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

My knee-jerk reaction is to stay away from what has been established and go with fresh ideas. But then I think of how I see JJA's Trek as potentially analogous to Nolan's Batman films. That is, the first film is very good as it tells the origins and lays the foundation for an excellent sequel. And that's what I'm hoping for STXII; to be a better story than the first with some serious moral or ethical dilema for Kirk and crew. With The Dark Knight, I was skeptical about them taking the iconic role of the Joker and retelling it. But obviously, Nolan and company did a wonderful job, perhaps making the next film an incredibly daunting task. So maybe STXII can take on an established Trek character such as Khan, Trellane, the Gorn, or the Planet Killer. Being an alternate time line, I would expect a fresh story either way.

I'm still reeling over how successful STXI has been. I was hoping it would do well but really didn't think it would have such a mass appeal. I wanted it to, but didn't think it would. I really enjoyed the film and have seen it four times...so far. It wasn't perfect, but it was very enjoyable with a good story, great casting, solid acting, lots of excitement, and great SPFX. It rekindled our beloved Star Trek and has ensured that it will be arround at least at the movies for a while. Perhaps it will give birth to a new TV series.

 

[Dr. Xtmprsqzntw]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

My initial reaction (like many) was klingons.

But after thinking about it, a film centered around klingons could only really be another big, fast paced, action movie. And we don't want that. But that's not a knock on this movie, on the contrary. I just feel another movie full of 'splosions and fisticuffs, would take away from both films.

Kind of like what is going on with Bond. Casino Royale lets us see the origins, while also being a good action flick. The next film was basically like getting an expansion pack with more levels, but there's no way the character development (which are the best story parts of Casino and nuTrek) could measure up to what preceded it.

This is supposed to be about space exploration, sci-fi and whatnot, and JJ and his crew are supposed to be good at doing weird/creepy/mysterious so we need to follow that path. We can still have action sequences, but we can't have the entire quadrant/galaxy/universe threatened by maniacs with giant guns again.

We need the scope to be much smaller. We need a strange planet where an away team can be put in peril and the crew aboard ship can explore ways to save them. Where the question isn't will they be able to save Vulcan or Earth, but will they be able to rescue characters we have grown to care about.

I guess it could still be an action film per se, but not the roller coaster we just got. It needs elements of suspense or even touches of horror (and not because of SFX, something which is unnerving by its very concept). I'd love some hardcore sci-fi, and although that probably ain't happening, we can still hope for enough strangeness that we can convince ourselves that weird is their business.

Maybe a story where the prime directive plays a crucial role. Something that would make the people that became fans of Star Trek three weeks ago to ask us: why didn't they help the good guys? If they can string us along with Vulcan refugee plot points for later or tie their search for a new home into it the Enterprise's discovery (whatever that is), fine.

If they want to use the klingons kind of like TMP or TVH did, and have them be canon fodder for the alien conflict jumping-off point, that's fine too. And if they could use the situation to introduce us to a klingon villain who will come to the forefront in the movie that's sure to follow, all the better.

But what I want most from them, is to be very careful with Spock, especially as it relates to Uhura. His emotional responses are reasonable considering the events of the film. However, he cannot continue down this path.

As a vulcan who occasionally has human moments of emotion, he is an iconic character who operates as a counterpoint to the other crew members he interacts with. If they turn him into a human-vulcan hybrid who espouses logic, but then acts however he "feels", he comes across as just another guy, who sometimes expresses the tenets of his reasoning while sounding like a instead of an authority.

And more Karl Urban!

 

[rac76]

Re: What do you want to see in Star Trek XII (The Sequel) ??

Paul McGillion as Scotty.

Wished that really happened, but cannot change the hands of time. With the consolation role that he was given, maybe they can expand on it. I can see why they gave it to Simon Pegg as the writers (what I think) wanted more of a comical character. I just didn't see McGillion pulling off slap stick comedy.

For the next movie, I don't think that I would want a rehashing of old story lines, either. It's already been done once, just let it go as it's time to think of something new for them to meet up with or fight. Overall, I would want the movie to be entertaining and fun to watch. Granted the current movie has some plot holes, but it's been fun to watch. Hasn't it?

 

[JewelsNeeJulian]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

hmmm....how about the Kelvin (andromedans) get found much earlier by another star ship...and the Enterprise gets the distress signal, pursues and finds out that the Invasion force is almost here....

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: Since Enterprise made the augment virus canon...

One story that he had direct involvement with, was the explanation of the Vulcan mind meld, which in my mind was the most garbage piece of writing on the entire Enterprise run.

If you are referring to Stigma (the Vulcan AIDS spread through mind-melding) then that didn't really explain anything. If anything it screwed continuity over with how it depicted mind melds. It wasn't until S4 with teh Kir'shara arc when the whole issue regarding mind-melds, and everything about how Enterprise depicted Vulcans was explained. And once again, that was Manny Coto.

 

[JewelsNeeJulian]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

Christopher Walken asa Orion Synidcate Crime lord responsable for the Expansion of the Syndicate in the weakened Federation going for a power grab.

 

[theFirebottle]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

The Borg were one way of thematically dealing with cybernetics; maybe Trek should jettison that way of thinking and do cybernetics/transhumanism in a new light. Humans in the 21st century are embracing the blurring of the line between man and machine with lots of good consequences (prosthetics, augmented reality, externalization of thinking and memory) and so far very few bad ones.

Here's another idea: Trek has already dealt with sufficiently advanced aliens who are already like "gods", so how about a story about the implications and consequences of an alien species that are becoming so -- how do mortals deal with attaining that sort of power and responsibility? Do they go crazy and immolate themselves and each other? Do they fight over who has the right to wield that kind of power? If some people are like gods and others are not, how does society remain egalitarian (assuming it was in the first place)? How do you keep one or two rogue nutters from wreaking havoc? What does it feel like to attain god-like powers and how do individuals deal with it?

 

[Finnegan]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

I'll be fine with a ripping action story, more great FX, humor, more Bones, more nice character "moments" with the entire cast, and some weighty themes for our heroes to grapple with. The Kirk/Spock/McCoy "troika" must be front and center. If they can do all THAT, then it will be an even bigger hit than the current film.

What I cannot tolerate is: any children, more time travel, Spockhura.

 

[Captain Fine]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

I'd really like to to see Vulcans from ENT. Soval, T'Pol and T'Pau. Yes they'd have to be appropriately aged, but they can have cameos. T'Pol and Soval both have a good chance to be off-world at the time. T'Pol is probably living on Earth and has children with Archer and/or Tucker, and Soval is probably a Federation Ambassador to the Klingons (just guessing).

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

^^Since Soval was already over 100 in Enterprise, I doubt he'd be alive anymore.

 

[Bones2]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

Christopher Walken asa Orion Synidcate Crime lord responsable for the Expansion of the Syndicate in the weakened Federation going for a power grab.

Come to think of it, the Orion Syndicate might be a very good idea for a film.

I also like the idea of unification between Vulcans and Romulans leading to aggression by the Klingons, maybe in league with the Romulans who oppose reunification.

 

[Captain Fine]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

I'm not too keen on Romulans and Klingons collaborating (again). Personally I had enough of the Duras family, and you know they'd bring them into that storyline.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

More Barely Glimpsed Hottie (NuKyle, which I shall repeadetly call her until Kurtzman and Orci catch wind of it upon tha interwebs. If you're a Kyle fan, you better get your angry rant against Kurtzman and Orci ready now. *Maniacal laughter*)

 

[Bonzo the Fifth]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

I realize that a lot of people are reticent about the idea of using Khan as a character for the second film, but I could see it working if done right...

Cinematically, it's already been shown that you can revisit an iconic character with a new interpretation without betraying their core nature (The Dark Knight's Joker). Khan, being a genetically engineered superman, is a character that touches upon some of the transhumanistic elements that I saw mentioned a few posts ago. Especially in a world post-Gattaca, genetic engineering is something that people by and large are more familiar with and have a justifiable wariness of... While I wouldn't really want Abrams and Co. to retread all of the Original Series with a new cast and FX, I think Khan is one that should be re-done, as I think what he represents is something that could A) make for a compelling story, the Augment Khan vs the mere mortal Kirk and Co. and B) allows for a more human villian who would be ripe for character development, which I think would be critical for whatever threat comes up next, since with Nero and the Narada, we've already basically seen the Planet Killer episode re-done. C) Directly tackling issues like human advancement, transhumanism, geno-ism, and the essense of humanity would also add in the traditional Trek hallmarks of intellectual elements and social messages that was missing from this film.

The key thing is in the execution... Khan should be defeated, yes, but I think what he represents re: Human advancement should be given a more fair hearing this time around. As stated previously, 21st century humanity is far less afraid of advancing itself than most writers seem to have predicted 20, 30, 40 or more years ago... The idea of genetically improving the human race, cybernetic enhancement, etc. aren't automatically some evil to be avoided at all costs... and I think if those ideas are given a fair hearing, perhaps even a tacit approval, that would be a significant enough departure from the 'prime' timeline to make the exercise worthwhile.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

And no offense, but Khan is not on the same level as the Joker. If a new Joker can be successfully embraced by moviegoers, so can a new Khan.

 

[Omegalomaniac]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

Bring on the Klingons, the Enterprise series plausibly explained the existence of both types.They would naturally go after the Romulans for revenge because they lost a lot of ships to Nero's depredations.
Their combined hostility would prove too much for the Organians to avert exposing their limitations.
A cameo appearence by the Shat as Tiberius Kirk would not be a bad thing.Maybe they could explain how an Iowan wound up with a name like Tiberius of all things.

 

[Bonzo the Fifth]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

And no offense, but Khan is not on the same level as the Joker. If a new Joker can be successfully embraced by moviegoers, so can a new Khan.

Well, obviously, as Jim Kirk isn't Batman... the only real point of comparison between the two is that Khan typically sits at the top of the heap in terms of 'personal nemeses' to Kirk, just as the Joker to Batman. Khan stands alone from most TOS villains in that, for one, he's human (augmented, but still human). Not a pseudogod, or some lost bit of alien technology on an omnicidal rampage, but a flesh and blood being, with human ambitions, motivations and somewhat more than two dimensional, cardboard characterization, helped in no small part by Ricardo Montalbahn's performance in the role, which let us see that he wasn't just being EEEEVILLL, but charismatic, with a justifiably dangerous arrogance that made you see just WHY someone would follow a man this power-hungry.

In any case, the real point is that, just as fans initially poo-pooed Nolan's choice in going with the Joker only to be proven wrong, the same thing could happen with Khan, if handled properly. The potential is there, after all. I say, why not?

Besides, ultimately, what would Star Trek:Two be without a Khan, anyway... ;-)

 

[Bonzo the Fifth]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

Bring on the Klingons, the Enterprise series plausibly explained the existence of both types.They would naturally go after the Romulans for revenge because they lost a lot of ships to Nero's depredations.
Their combined hostility would prove too much for the Organians to avert exposing their limitations.
A cameo appearence by the Shat as Tiberius Kirk would not be a bad thing.Maybe they could explain how an Iowan wound up with a name like Tiberius of all things.

And that right there is why I don't see it happening... While Abrams and Co. seem willing (and pleased) to throw continuity nods and gags throughout their re-boot, I think they're wanting to avoid the trap of becoming slaved to the continuity, which, as much as I enjoyed the fourth season of Enterprise, is a perfect example of continuity lock-out; anathema to an enterprise such as this re-tool. Getting into things like the Organians (or any of the god-like aliens of TOS for the matter) or even contriving some way to bring Shatner on-screen would seem to go against what they're trying to do here, for good or ill, as it would just leave the more casual viewers scratching their heads.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

Brian Blessed as the leader of the Klingons.

"KIRK'S ALIIIIIIIVE?!"

"KAHLESS! FRESH HORSES!"

 

[apenpaap]

Re: What actors / characters / plots do you want to see in Star Trek X

^ Yeah, Brian Blessed would be an awesome Klingon.