Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the works

[Gaith]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Lincoln's commitment to the law demanded that abolition of slavery wait until there was legal authority to do so.

Which, in practice, would certainly not have been possible in his presidency at least, and very likely his lifetime, without a civil war that forced the southern states to adopt the thirteenth amendment. Ergo, to be a legal abolitionist in any meaningful sense of the word, he would have had to have been eager to prosecute a civil war.


But, as I pointed out earlier, he wasn't:

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

Unless you believe that he'd have pushed for a war to free the slaves even if the southern states hadn't seceded (and that'd put you in an extreme if not nonexistent minority of historians), I simply can't agree that Lincoln was an abolitionist in all but heart - and that's pretty weak sauce, particularly since he publicly supported, as president, a constitutional amendment to permanently protect slavery in the southern states.

Lincoln was an abolitionist, a quite determined one.

Sorry, no.

 

[stj]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

....Seward introduced three resolutions to the Senate committee. One resolution�not included in Lincoln's proposals�offered that "no amendment shall be made to the Constitution, which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish, or interfere within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State." ....

In his inaugural address, Lincoln noted Congressional approval of the Corwin amendment and stated that he "had no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." ....

By tacitly supporting Corwin's amendment, Lincoln hoped to convince the South that he would not move to abolish slavery and, at the minimum, keep the border states of Maryland, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, and North Carolina from seceding.

Lincoln's March 16, 1861 letters to the governors did not endorse or oppose the proposed thirteenth amendment.

In the context of secession when the South was demanding total surrender, this tepid simulacrum of support (not even an endorsement!) doesn't count.

Lincoln was a lawyer, and quite capable of reserving to himself the thought that at a later date, the Federal Government would be within its powers to compensate the slave states for voluntary manumission and that such action would not constitute interference with domestic institutions.

He was also a politician. As a politician he correctly believed the slaveholders controlled the federal government and that the key to finishing their control was restriction of the expansion of slavery. The rest could and would follow.

It is absolutely true that Lincoln would have done almost anything to prevent civil war. Except give in on restriction of expansion of slavery, because if the South kept control of the Federal government, then slavery really would be preserved forever. His abolitionism, legalistic though it was, kept him from betraying the program he wass elected on.

 

[Gaith]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

this tepid simulacrum of support (not even an endorsement!) doesn't count.

Huh, Wikipedia's language on this seems to be wrong.

So, you're arguing that Lincoln played a pragmatic game of restricting slavery's spread that had the somewhat unexpected and un-sought-for side effect of abolishing slavery as soon as was possible. A very valid argument, but I still don't think that that makes Lincoln a " quite determined" abolitionist, more of a "quite determined anti-slavery-expansionist" who happened to abolish slavery, in large part accidentally.

 

[Small White Car]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Make up your own fucking character, or at the very least have the decency to make a surrogate Lincoln, no matter how thinly veiled.

This is what I don't get. You'd be ok with it if it was clearly a fake Lincoln then, right? That's what I'm getting from that statement. (Kind of like 'Life of Brian,' right? That's what you're getting at?)

So, from that, I gather that you're arguing that there are people out there who think a Burton-made, vampire hunting Lincoln is actually the real Lincoln? And that's the problem? (Because if that's not what you're saying then I don't understand the surrogate comment.)

If those people are out there, well, at some point I feel like we shouldn't have to be responsible for certain people.

 

[Gaith]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

You'd be ok with it if it was clearly a fake Lincoln then, right?

I'd still find it dumb, but I'd be far, far less insulted, yes.

Kind of like 'Life of Brian,' right? That's what you're getting at?

Indeed. (But since we have pretty much nil historically verifiable data about Jesus, I don't mind Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter one hundredth as much.)

So, from that, I gather that you're arguing that there are people out there who think a Burton-made, vampire hunting Lincoln is actually the real Lincoln? And that's the problem?

No, I'm saying it's sleazy, and a lousy way to try to make a buck. With respect, I was quite clear:

worse than juvenile, it's an insult to the Lincoln family's memory, not to mention our national memory

.

 

[Samurai8472]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Set photos.


If anyone has read the book, this is the New Orleans part of the book where Abraham meets Edgar Allen Poe.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

I posted these in the other less Gaith pissed thread Sammy!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Don't worry, I'll distract Gaith!

The PT is the greatest work of art, ever!

 

[Gaith]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

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[Admiral_Young]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

New set photos.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=77446

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

What's all that weirdness in the background of the first one? Looks like part of the Alien set, plus an outhouse that got stomped on.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

I'm guessing it's a vampire thrashed barn from the looks of it.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

anyone have a trailer?

 

[Admiral_Young]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

^ It would already be posted if there were one. They're still filming obviously. Sigh.

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Okay, how long before The Asylum announces: "Abe Lincoln: Zombie Hunter"?

Coming soon to DVD . . . . .

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Okay, how long before The Asylum announces: "Abe Lincoln: Zombie Hunter"?

Coming soon to DVD . . . . .

I'll watch that too!

 

[iBender]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Tim Burton, a man born before his time it seems.

(Annoyingly enough, so was I!)

I still can't wait to see how this turns out though.

(Thread's title reminds me of Lesbian Vampire Killers (2006))

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

And this isn't the Daniel Day Lewis one right? Sorry I haven't really been following this movie.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

^ No. That's an actual bio pic. This is based on a fictional book. Burton is just producing this movie. Timur Bekmabetov is directing this movie, he's known for the Russian vampire duology series "Night Watch" and "Day Watch". He also directed "Wanted". He's perfect for directing this film.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter produced by Tim Burton in the work

Okay, how long before The Asylum announces: "Abe Lincoln: Zombie Hunter"?

Coming soon to DVD . . . . .

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all living men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate--we can not consecrate--we can not hallow--this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not rise to walk again--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the living, by the living, for the living, shall not perish from the earth.