A way the new bridge look could fit into existing Trek canon....

[David cgc]

Once I decided to think of it as, "If I don't have a problem with them recasting the characters, why should it bother me that they're recasting the ship?" I felt much better. Once we I see the movie, I'm sure I can decide if it fits neatly into what's gone before, or if its a remake, or if Star Trek has finally attained the status of legend, with numerous, somewhat contradictory stories which all share the same characters and themes. After all, no one complains if King Arthur's Excalibur doesn't look identical in the different movies that feature him.

^What have you personally created for either television or film to advance Star Trek? I know more about the real workings of Hollywood Star Trek than you could ever imagine. From your constant ramblings I'd say you know very little of reality.
Don't bother to reply. I am blocking your silly, feeble minded hatred so my eyes will no longer be offended. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Behold, the open minded liberal....

I hate election year.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

^What have you personally created for either television or film to advance Star Trek? I know more about the real workings of Hollywood Star Trek than you could ever imagine. From your constant ramblings I'd say you know very little of reality.
Don't bother to reply. I am blocking your silly, feeble minded hatred so my eyes will no longer be offended. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Behold, the open minded liberal....

In other words, you didn't have a good answer.

Being "open minded" doesn't mean swallowing whatever drivel someone wants to assert as relevant. "You're not open minded" is generally the cry of someone who can't defend their assertions against challenge in any way other than simply repeating them as given.

 

[JoeZhang]

I think some of you are delusional if you believe you could put the bridge set from the 1960s with a few modifications up on the big screen and get anything but disappointment and apathy.

Star Trek looking to the future by being stuck in the past.

 

[BTX]

Sigh... now we're arguing about the bridge. Look this movie is ultimately going to stand apart from the original canon like Danny Craig from Sean Connery. But be of good cheer... in another 15 or 20 years, what is old will be new again and Star Trek will be seen as a period piece, a "looking back" at the future. Sort of like doing HG Wells in Victorian England or Jules Verne as Steampunk. You'll have a faux-sixties set design, women in beehive wigs and people speaking in arcane, dated terminology. Don't laugh... Star Wars pretty much did the same thing drawing its inspirations from 1930's space opera.

BTX

 

[Ferd Burfel]

Yeah, it's gonna be different.

Different doesn't mean bad though. The Shattnerverse is different while most of the books are entertaining. It doesn't mean I put them up next to KRAD, Mack or Bennett's books.

 

[Capt_Jason]

Sigh... now we're arguing about the bridge. Look this movie is ultimately going to stand apart from the original canon like Danny Craig from Sean Connery. But be of good cheer... in another 15 or 20 years, what is old will be new again and Star Trek will be seen as a period piece, a "looking back" at the future. Sort of like doing HG Wells in Victorian England or Jules Verne as Steampunk. You'll have a faux-sixties set design, women in beehive wigs and people speaking in arcane, dated terminology. Don't laugh... Star Wars pretty much did the same thing drawing its inspirations from 1930's space opera.

BTX

I rest me case.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sigh... now we're arguing about the bridge. Look this movie is ultimately going to stand apart from the original canon like Danny Craig from Sean Connery. But be of good cheer... in another 15 or 20 years, what is old will be new again and Star Trek will be seen as a period piece, a "looking back" at the future. Sort of like doing HG Wells in Victorian England or Jules Verne as Steampunk. You'll have a faux-sixties set design, women in beehive wigs and people speaking in arcane, dated terminology. Don't laugh... Star Wars pretty much did the same thing drawing its inspirations from 1930's space opera.

BTX

Yet in Star Wars the actors sported contemporary 70s haircuts and the sets looked a lot different than the ones in a 30s serial. The Millennium Falcon lacked the "torpedo" look of a Space Opera ship.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Though I have grown into a supporter of this movie I think the point that they could have made it more faithful
to the Original and STILL be more kewl than what we 've already seen is a pretty strong one.

Then there'd be just as many people saying that JJ should have been brave enough to take a few more risks.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

SSN 774 Virgina (Circa 2004 4 years ago)
Virgina Command and Control room

Dead link

 

[trevanian]

Sigh... now we're arguing about the bridge. Look this movie is ultimately going to stand apart from the original canon like Danny Craig from Sean Connery. But be of good cheer... in another 15 or 20 years, what is old will be new again and Star Trek will be seen as a period piece, a "looking back" at the future. Sort of like doing HG Wells in Victorian England or Jules Verne as Steampunk. You'll have a faux-sixties set design, women in beehive wigs and people speaking in arcane, dated terminology. Don't laugh... Star Wars pretty much did the same thing drawing its inspirations from 1930's space opera.

BTX

Yet in Star Wars the actors sported contemporary 70s haircuts and the sets looked a lot different than the ones in a 30s serial. The Millennium Falcon lacked the "torpedo" look of a Space Opera ship.

The analogy breaks down in other ways as well. We have a return to 60s style suits (thanks MADMEN) so the idea of a 21st century Conneryesque Bond (in certain ways, certainly NOT in others) is in keeping with that retro aspect, whereas the last time they really tried (in the late 80s w/ Dalton) it was in an era of big hair and painful style that flew in the face of a serious characterization.

I'm hoping this incarnation of trek is more like what people tell me SUPERMAN RETURNS was like -- namely, an aberration to avoid until they try something smarter with Trek.

The FLASH GORDON look is actually present in the SW prequels, which probably resembles more of what GL was going for all along ... everyone should fail so wonderfully the first couple times out of the gate!

 

[M'Sharak]

<snip>

I am sorry, but for a supposed 23rd Century starship that bridge looks a little archaic, especially when the Command and Control rooms of many modern US Aircraft Carriers, Destroyers and Guided Missile Cruisers look just as advanced.

USS Vincennes (CG-49 circa 1988 20 Years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ennes_(CG-49)_Aegis_large_screen_displays.jpg

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Inquisitive, please do not post inline images not hosted on your own webspace.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I'm hoping this incarnation of trek is more like what people tell me SUPERMAN RETURNS was like -- namely, an aberration to avoid until they try something smarter with Trek.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you really hoping that this film will suck, expecting that at some point in the future, some hypothetical movie or series will be much more to your liking? Wouldn't it be much simpler to hope that you'll enjoy this movie?

 

[trevanian]

It'd be more simpleminded of me to hope I'd enjoy this movie.

I don't buy into the recasting, not in the slightest. I don't think leveraging off these characters in this fashion is beneficial or, personally, of any interest. I think the idea of using the TREK universe is a great one for the right concept, but the restart thing is not for me.

I really wished that TNG hadn't gotten that huge years-long run-up to decency due to viewers who kept coming back no matter how bad it was, because maybe if that show had crashed and Bermed, we'd've gotten a better trek a little while later (JMS, Whedon, somebody else?), one that wasn't so pedantic and antiseptic (can probably come up with more multi-syllable descriptions, but my lips are getting tired.)

DS9 is pretty much the only thing I've enjoyed to any great degree in the ModernTrek era, besides TOS reruns that is.

I'm mildly interested in it from a technical standpoint, because art direction is a real interest for me, and because I might wind up covering the movie for a tech magazine. It happened for the new Bond, which I had no interest in due to the Craig casting, but once I spoke with the director (who I admire greatly), I find myself looking forward to QOS in spite of Craig's ugly mug.

But so far, I've seen very little from this trek to suggest this is anything but a 2for1 dvd night rental, a la ATTACK OF THE CLONES.

EDIT ADDON: and yeah, I'd be interested in another trek project down the line. But not using the TOS original characters with unlined faces, and in an era that had inherent interest (like end of 23rd/beginning of 24th century, sort of the equivalent to westerns set in 1910, like Richard Brooks movies or THE WILD BUNCH.)

 

[JuanBolio]

TMP was a sequel of TOS, not a reboot. Learn the freakin' difference.

Anyhoo, all they had to do for this upcoming freak show is this:

Add in some of those little equipment lockers in the panels that Franz Joseph indicated, and all would be well.

You're using the wrong bridge. This movie seems to take place in the 2250's, not the late 2260's. You should be using the Poke-era bridge, which looks a lot closer to this new design.

 

[Captain Robert April]

The Pike bridge doesn't bear any more resemblence to that hair salon that the one I used in my example.

 

[JuanBolio]

Yes, yes it does. Especially the color and the goosenecks.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Fine, have it your way...

 

[gastrof]

I have an idea. Tell me what you think.

What if at the end of the movie, after some huge battle with the Enterprise being heavily damaged, they show her being repaired at space dock, and they show quick glimpses of the bridge being repaired. And in these glimpses, you can clearly see the bridge being redesigned into something looking a bit closer to the bridge we all know from the original show.

Now, assuming this movie is just the first in a series starring this cast and crew, maybe for each consecutive movie we see the bridge and other parts of the Enterprise being redesigned more and more to something resembling the TOS look.

Then in the last movie starring this cast, in the very last shot in that movie, we see the bridge and every other part of the Enterprise looking pretty damn close to how it looked in TOS.

What would you think if they did it like this?

The problem is that we've already seen how the bridge looks in WNMHGB and in the series, and it's mostly the same.

In WNMHGB, they've yet to go to the blue, gold, and red uniforms.

In this new film, they're already wearing them on the iMac bridge.

Nothing quite fits, so I'm leaning more and more towards "This is a parallel universe, and not the same one we've known."

If it turns out the Lite-Brite bridge is part of an altered timeline that Spock somehow fixes, okay. But if not, there's likely not to be any "gradual change to what we know" because the whole thing is already impossibly out of sequence.

 

[JuanBolio]

I have an idea. Tell me what you think.

What if at the end of the movie, after some huge battle with the Enterprise being heavily damaged, they show her being repaired at space dock, and they show quick glimpses of the bridge being repaired. And in these glimpses, you can clearly see the bridge being redesigned into something looking a bit closer to the bridge we all know from the original show.

Now, assuming this movie is just the first in a series starring this cast and crew, maybe for each consecutive movie we see the bridge and other parts of the Enterprise being redesigned more and more to something resembling the TOS look.

Then in the last movie starring this cast, in the very last shot in that movie, we see the bridge and every other part of the Enterprise looking pretty damn close to how it looked in TOS.

What would you think if they did it like this?

The problem is that we've already seen how the bridge looks in WNMHGB and in the series, and it's mostly the same.

In WNMHGB, they've yet to go to the blue, gold, and red uniforms.

In this new film, they're already wearing them on the iMac bridge.

Nothing quite fits, so I'm leaning more and more towards "This is a parallel universe, and not the same one we've known."

If it turns out the Lite-Brite bridge is part of an altered timeline that Spock somehow fixes, okay. But if not, there's likely not to be any "gradual change to what we know" because the whole thing is already impossibly out of sequence.

I think you and CRA both are getting needlessly bent out of shape over the design. Its an update reflecting advances in modern styling and technology. The LOOK of Star Trek has always been fluid, and not always in sequence as far as technological evolution. Ask yourself this - is there any machine on the new bridge that's function is more advanced than those in TOS? Granted, we haven't seen the bridge in action, but what do you think? Probably not. Take TOS design out of the picture - would you accept this as a sci-fi design for a the bridge of an interstellar starship?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Nothing quite fits, so I'm leaning more and more towards "This is a parallel universe, and not the same one we've known."

I have several fanzines and "The Best of Trek"s that came out after TMP and some have angry/sad articles by fans saying the only way they could accept the changes in the main characters (Kirk's promotion, Spock's rejection of his human half, McCoy's resignation, etc), and the physical appearance of the Klingons, was that the movie was part of an alternate timeline or universe.