A USS Kelvin Complaint Nobody's Made Yet...
- Thread starter The Wormhole
- Start date
- Status
Dunno. I like it too. But if that's a full-size Excelsior saucer, those torpedo tubes are friggin' HUGE. You could drive a big-rig truck into one of those things with room to spare!
The Dominion War kitbashes are just spare parts from various staship models slapped together with no thought of scale put into them. Intrepid class saucer attached to a Maquis raider anyone?
Has anybody ever considered the notion that the third nacelle pictured above is just a 'spare' ... y'know, like fancy touring cars having a spare tire mounted on the back?
Or it could be a detachable 'ultimate weapon' where you overload it and sling it at the enemy to leave 'em glowing.
You might be right, this is what Franz Joseph may have had in mind with his dreadnaught design, since the nacelle was attached to the primary hull it would provide a warp capable 'life boat' if necesary. We can also speculate that there may even have been a 'top secret', 'routine detachable' feature that allowed the dreadnaught to become effectivally two fighting ships?
Besides, are we sure at this piont that the Kelvan doesn't have two nacelles?
That's Sternbach's painting but the design is Matt Jefferies' originally for GR's proposed Starship series.And what about this Rick Sternbach design of an Enterprise predating the 1701? Though never "flown" on-screen, it was canonized when a painting of it appeared on the rec deck in TMP.
The LOS rule was invented by Andrew Probert, not Roddenberry, because he had intended the nacelles designed for the TMP Enterprise to "see" each other and exchange energy. Hence there couldn't be anything blocking that.
Oh... Oh... I get to answer this one... I'm a car guy... it's a continental kit.
Has anybody ever considered the notion that the third nacelle pictured above is just a 'spare' ... y'know, like fancy touring cars having a spare tire mounted on the back?
Or it could be a detachable 'ultimate weapon' where you overload it and sling it at the enemy to leave 'em glowing.
Yeah, reading some of these rants is pure torture!
Well, the windows on the edge of the saucer do give it some scale... which is of course contradicted by how large it appears on screen compared to the Defiant and the Dominion attack ships.Dunno. I like it too. But if that's a full-size Excelsior saucer, those torpedo tubes are friggin' HUGE. You could drive a big-rig truck into one of those things with room to spare!
The Dominion War kitbashes are just spare parts from various staship models slapped together with no thought of scale put into them. Intrepid class saucer attached to a Maquis raider anyone?
trevanian
Rear Admiral
TGT and other probably have a link to Probert's officer's lounge art ... that showed the engine effect between the nacelles. It was something Abel's people were going to do with fiber optic and with a black box ent model, so the ship could occlude the effect as it passed camera.
fair enough, but it's listed on EAS as a 'Roddenberry Rule' along with even numbers of nacelles, bridge on top and...whatever rule 4 is...
Yes, but in the linked interview with Probert on TrekPlace, he makes it clear that only the "even number of nacelles" rule came specifically from Gene, and that he developed some of the other "rules" from that. He created the LOS "rule" and the rule that you shouldn't block bussard collectors from the front, which is practical. The "rule" about the bridge always being on top of the saucer was a preference of the TNG production staff, because Probert had initially placed the bridge in the center of the saucer, presumably embedded within the structure. They wanted the bridge on top to give the ship a better sense of scale. Another analysis of the rules can be found here.
I guess the Bird of Prey shows that no-one told the Klingons they could only build ships with even-numbered nacelles....
Unless you can see something else in that picture, than yes, we can be certain that the Kelvin only has the one.
You guys do know that the Kelvin is an experimental prototype to combine two sets of warp coils in a single nacelle to help cut down on unneeded energy expenditure in the creation of a stable warp field...
Yeah, I dont care, I made that up and that explanation is good enough for me if there isnt one in the film, im not gonna let the Kelvin Ruin it...
Now, if the enterprise has hot pink rims and shatners head for the right nacelle, THEN there'll be hell to pay.
Like this!
That's Sternbach's painting but the design is Matt Jefferies' originally for GR's proposed Starship series.And what about this Rick Sternbach design of an Enterprise predating the 1701? Though never "flown" on-screen, it was canonized when a painting of it appeared on the rec deck in TMP.
Nice catch... I thank you.
Another odd-nacelled vessel is the USS Prometheus. Five in total (four in use most of the time), the saucer gets a small single nacelle when the ship is separated. Many may disagree with the design, but it's there on-screen
Yeah, I've made the occasional complaint about the, but that always gets swept under the rug when you realize the multi-vector assault just isn't that practical.
The Prometheus has 6 nacelles.
Two on the two main sections and two smaller ones on the saucer. I used to think there were only 5 as well, but someone found me a screencap with the ship separated from behind, there is a second nacelle on the saucers ventral undercut, the part that connects with section 2.
So the saucer does have 2, the one underneath is just hard to see and the two are "over/under" instead of out to the side.
Two on the two main sections and two smaller ones on the saucer. I used to think there were only 5 as well, but someone found me a screencap with the ship separated from behind, there is a second nacelle on the saucers ventral undercut, the part that connects with section 2.
So the saucer does have 2, the one underneath is just hard to see and the two are "over/under" instead of out to the side.
At least ENT episodes like "First Flight" reinforced canon from ST:TMP that the ring ships seen in artwork did exist in the official TREK timelines, even if none were ever shown in action on screen.
Huh, well there we have it, sometimes even the best of us can miss a nacelle.
- Status
Similar threads
