A USS Kelvin Complaint Nobody's Made Yet...
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I simply think that if we MUST discuss/complain about something, we have more important things to do so about. You know, things that actually effect the quality of the movie like plot, acting and dialogue.
I simply think that if we MUST discuss/complain about something, we have more important things to do so about. You know, things that actually effect the quality of the movie like plot, acting and dialogue.
You mean that there's more than special effects?
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You know something of these things and you've been holding out on us?I simply think that if we MUST discuss/complain about something, we have more important things to do so about. You know, things that actually effect the quality of the movie like plot, acting and dialogue.
To be fair, the Excelsior-variants and offshoots like the USS Centaur seen in the Dominion War on DS9 had just one single warp nacelle. This is nothing new in the TREK universe, even if its extremely rare.
You sure about that? All the diagrams I've seen show one lower nacelle beneath the Excelsior-style saucer module.
The Centaur was surprisingly likable. Wonder why they never used it more?
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You know something of these things and you've been holding out on us?I simply think that if we MUST discuss/complain about something, we have more important things to do so about. You know, things that actually effect the quality of the movie like plot, acting and dialogue.
Maybe...
...but my point is that just because we have a lack of information thus far doesn't mean we then need to go searching for minute things to nitpick that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter much.
Dunno. I like it too. But if that's a full-size Excelsior saucer, those torpedo tubes are friggin' HUGE. You could drive a big-rig truck into one of those things with room to spare!
That picture you posted is just an artist's representation. The actual model had a Constitution/Miranda bridge module, which actually scaled down the size of the saucer, so the torpedo tubes would also be the same size as the Miranda's. When it is chasing Sisko's stolen Jem'hadar bug, it doesn't look like it's much larger. A ship with a full-sized Excelsior saucer would have dwarfed the bug.
And also, because nobody has caught this error --- the Oberth-class starships had two nacelles.
Sure. With very few exceptions, everyone knows that. However, putting a hold on wild speculation simply because of a near-absence of hard evidence would make this board and others like it far more dull places to be.You know something of these things and you've been holding out on us?I simply think that if we MUST discuss/complain about something, we have more important things to do so about. You know, things that actually effect the quality of the movie like plot, acting and dialogue.
Maybe...
...but my point is that just because we have a lack of information thus far doesn't mean we then need to go searching for minute things to nitpick that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter much.
Nitpicking minute things is what we do here -- it's fun
-- and just as soon as we've got some actual examples of plot, acting and dialogue to chew on, we'll start nitpicking those, too.
Agreed. The reason Roddenberry created this "rule" was his assumption that you needed paired nacelles to create a stable field for warping space. Just as a helicopter needs a smaller rotor to balance the torque from its main rotor. That could have been a decent idea had something more concrete been established, but nothing in canon suggests that nacelle-based configurations have to work this way. And Gene wasn't an engineer, so he never created a scientific or engineering reason for this rule. And it is the only genuine "Roddenberry Rule" of starship design, as the others (line of sight between nacelles, no blocking the bussard collectors, etc.) came from other sources.
That being said, it could certainly be argued that even numbers of nacelles/coils are the optimum configuration, and that odd numbers create some technical issues. These classes would then be somewhat rarer.
As far as the whole dispute with FJ, I honestly don't know how much of that occurred. Some fans seem to think that Gene developed a sort of vendetta against Franz and created the rules just to spite him, but I'm not entirely sure that's the full truth. Certainly Gene was guilty of being selfish in some respects on the production of Star Trek and some of its affiliated material.
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And also, because nobody has caught this error --- the Oberth-class starships had two nacelles.
the Defiant and Voyager also violate Roddeenberry's rule that warp nacelles must have at least 50% LOS between them. no one ever said you need 2 nacelles. Okuda made up the dual-coil BS to explain the Freedom and Niagra classes from BOBW, but it's exactly that: BS.
No. The Oberth class has two nacelles.[/quote]
Well, you learn something new everyday. I guess I never looked at the ship that closely, and I assumed the structure at the bottom was the nacelle. So I've been making that mistake for about 25 years. I stand humbly corrected.
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No worries, it is easy to mistake. That underside is a chunk of the secondary hull, right?
The Oberth is just a bizarre design. But it's cool.
As far as Roddenbery's Rule of Two goes, I happen to like starships with odd numbered nacelles. This is something I wish could have been addressed in the series.
Well, you learn something new everyday. I guess I never looked at the ship that closely, and I assumed the structure at the bottom was the nacelle. So I've been making that mistake for about 25 years. I stand humbly corrected.
[/quote]No worries, it is easy to mistake. That underside is a chunk of the secondary hull, right?
The Oberth is just a bizarre design. But it's cool.
As far as Roddenbery's Rule of Two goes, I happen to like starships with odd numbered nacelles. This is something I wish could have been addressed in the series.
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