A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

[Relayer1]

Huh..."an untimely end for another key character". I wonder if that's Brienne's hanging by Lady Stoneheart or something else. Could they be doing Jon Snow's stabbing this soon?

I don't think they're doing Stoneheart at all, which is fine by me. That whole thread didn't really work for me.

Brienne I expect to last the series out and end up with Jamie one way or another.

I think Jon Snows 'incident' will prove less catastrophic than it seems but would make a great end of season cliffhanger.

 

[Masiral]

Huh..."an untimely end for another key character". I wonder if that's Brienne's hanging by Lady Stoneheart or something else. Could they be doing Jon Snow's stabbing this soon? I honestly can't think of who else they would be referring to there... Is Stoneheart even in the casting calls this season?

They still haven't finished Jon's storyline from A Storm of Swords, so there's no way they could get to the end of A Dance With Dragons so soon.

 

[InklingStar]

Mance will get burned this episode. Question is, will it be the fake Mance / Rattleshirt from the books? Or the real Mance, and the whole Abel the Bard storyline is out the window?

Bronn may die in Dorne. He has little more to do in the books as far as we know. Barristan may die in Meereen, even though he is set to lead the army in the Battle of Fire in TWoW. Theon still has story left, as does Varys. (Someone has to shoot Pycelle and Kevan with a crossbow after all.)

 

[Captaindemotion]

I'm kinda thinking Barristan too. Or maybe even Ser Jorah? I do get the impression that things over that side of the sea will be pretty different from the books.

Of course, no doubt I'll be proven wrong as usual.

 

[Relayer1]

I'm kinda thinking Barristan too. Or maybe even Ser Jorah? I do get the impression that things over that side of the sea will be pretty different from the books.

Of course, no doubt I'll be proven wrong as usual.

Martin has shared his plans for the last (two ?) novels with the showrunners. He also apparently writes the viewpoint characters chapters in bursts rather a chapter for A, then one for B, then C etc. He may already have written some characters well into the last novel.

Any differences in the route taken by the show will be for storytelling reasons, there won't be a lot of differences in who actually makes it to the last book as all concerned know the endgame.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^Indeed but it does appear that at least one character will survive longer in the books than on tv. That seems pretty much confirmed from the reviews. Plus it doesn't look like we'll get an Ironborn invasion of Mereen, among other things.

 

[137th Gebirg]

It does sound like the whole Ironborn subplot may be cast aside, from the Kingsmoot all the way up to the advance of the fleet.

Won't hurt my feelings either way. I found that whole thing to be really lacking in substance and Damphair's droning repetitiveness and uber-piety especially annoying.

 

[DarthTom]

Interesting development:

Huffington

Sorry book readers, but "Game of Thrones" creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff are going to deliver the spoiler of all spoilers.
The two showrunners for the HBO series are some of the few people who know the ending to George R.R. Martin's still unfinished The Song of Ice and Fire book series, which "Game of Thrones" is based on. Last year, they revealed to Vanity Fair that the author explained the ending for "every character" in Westeros. Martin, who recently announced he's skipping fan conventions to finish Book 6, The Winds of Winter, said in 2013 that the the odds of the show catching up to the books "are very long." HBO programming president Michael Lombardo also echoed Martin at the time, telling Entertainment Weekly, "Let’s all hope and pray that’s not going to be a problem."
But while speaking at the Oxford Union, Benioff confirmed that spoilers are most definitely coming soon. "We’ll eventually, basically, meet up at pretty much the same place where George is going," Benioff said. According to the co-creator, there will be parts of the show that stray from the books, as we already know about Season 5's altered storylines and surprising deaths not in Martin's work. "I kind of wish there were some things we didn’t have to spoil, in terms of the books," Benioff continued, "but we’re kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show must go on."
The showrunners have expressed their hope multiple times for "Game of Thrones" to run for only seven seasons, but HBO recently revealed that they want more, if possible. If the show extends beyond Season 7, that would give Martin more time to complete his final book in the series, A Dream of Spring, and avoid spoilers in the show for a while longer. But as Benioff said, "We can't put the show on hiatus [...] so we have to kind of keep pushing forward." Watch the full Oxford Union address below.

 

[Scout101]

What development? That's been basically the plan since the pilot. They knew he's too slow, and they'd overtake him. they know where he's going, and are headed basically the same way, if by a slightly different path in places.

May be differences with the books, but the big points will be spoiled by the series likely years before you read them. maybe it'll be long enough that you'll forget some of the details?

 

[Booji]

I just listened to the entire Oxford Union Q&A and it was very good. They more or less confirmed a Jon theory for season 6. Actor who plays Sam is a riot. Definitely worth listening to.

 

[137th Gebirg]

By the Jon theory, I'm assuming you mean "R + L = J"?

 

[Booji]

Warging into Ghost

 

[137th Gebirg]

Huh...I genuinely would have thought that Melisandre would have given Jon some of her Red-Hot R'hllor lovin' to bring him back from the dead. I guess the warging works, too. They had been alluding to it for some time as a potential ability for him. If that happens, he might actually be able to communicate with Bran now that he's tied into the Tree-Cloud.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I'm too lazy to watch the Oxford address. Did they say anything about HBO's purported desire for 10 seasons?

 

[Booji]

Nothing was said about HBOs wish for 10 seasons.

 

[InklingStar]

Huh...I genuinely would have thought that Melisandre would have given Jon some of her Red-Hot R'hllor lovin' to bring him back from the dead. I guess the warging works, too. They had been alluding to it for some time as a potential ability for him. If that happens, he might actually be able to communicate with Bran now that he's tied into the Tree-Cloud.

The theory goes that both will happen. Jon wargs into Ghost at the moment of death, and Mel brings back his body ala Beric. Then Jon un-wargs, which accomplishes what Beric or Stoneheart never did - fully retain his identity and personality.

 

[137th Gebirg]

AH! Gotcha! Thx for the clarification. Guess I was halfway there, then. Would love to see some warg POV scenes.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Nothing was said about HBOs wish for 10 seasons.

Thanks

 

[Captaindemotion]

So, once again Belfast film festival did a preview of the season opener and once again I was lucky enough to win tickets. Another very strong opener.

I'll do a spoilerish review if anyone is interested. As regards the much discussed death of a character who is still alive in the books...hmmm. Well, I'll say nothing for now other than it both makes sense and doesn't make sense that I didn't see this character mentioned in the various posts I saw discussing who might be for the chop. Hard to explain.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Absolutely!