Well, that explains the lack of a bridge toilet
A Serious Flaw In The Bridge Design?
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Well, that explains the lack of a bridge toilet
It needed to be said because a lot of Trek fans pretend it's not so.
If the conceit was to blow up consoles and hull platings every week on limited imaginative shows like STD, DS9 War seasons, and Voyager, but not Star Trek. The show from the 1960's was about other things other than abandoning ship because the crew was in constant peril to be annihilated. This is what Trek has become, folks. It's not about adventure through exotic worlds and meeting interesting aliens, it's about internal/external fighting, and heavy handed politics.
Bailey totally would have.
First, I agree that Star Trek was never a hard-SF show and that “science” always to a backseat to fiction.
That said, and with due respect to you and Maurice, the FTL drive situation is a good example of the primary difference between the franchises. Trek was internally consistent and LiS was not.
The Robinson expedition was supposed to be in suspended animation for at least five years*—suggesting a near light-speed transit to Alpha Centauri—and was driven to hyperlight speeds by Smith’s meddling. Once they crashed , the remainder of the first season took place on the uncharted Priplanus, attempting to survive on a hostile world.
Season Two opened with an emergency liftoff, resort to a fuel barge (!?), and the rest of the season once again marooned. In color now, the stories were alternately whimsical or campy.
By Season Three, the intrepid Robinsons are flitting from galaxy to galaxy as if they were on some kind of a …uh… star trek, complete with militaristic uniforms adorned with rank stripes, and assisted by a heretofore unseen space pod. Narratively, the episodes leaned more toward action/adventure, with survival and flight now taken for granted.
Star Trek, for all its faults, always had warp drive, which acted more or less at the speed of plot, as befitting the ship’s basic mission: space law regulation and contact with alien life. Lost in Space, on the other hand, dramatically changed the ship’s capabilities and the basic premise of the show to fit the needs of this week’s episode with an eye toward the next season’s renewal.
And still the bridge of the Enterprise has only one point of entry and egress. The Jupiter 2 always had two.
*The pilot had the trip to Alpha C taking about a hundred years. That was the about the only “science” NASA could approve.
For some odd reason, LIS writers started saying "galaxy" when they meant solar system. And I think it was only in one or two episodes. I only remember it in "Kidnapped in Space," and it was the aliens who said the Jupiter 2 was passing through the Xenian Galaxy. That can be chalked up to a translation error from an alien language.
Fitting the Space Pod inside the Jupiter 2 is pretty easy once you grasp the non-Euclidean geometry that allowed for a third deck (the Power Core in "The Space Creature"). It's all in how you do the math.
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In the latest John Byrne photo comic "Isolation," he depicts an access hatch and service crawl way on the left side of the primary turbolift. It is accessible in the wall that includes the red Enterprise schematic.
In the latest John Byrne photo comic "Isolation," he depicts a access hatch and service crawl way on the left side of the primary turbolift. It is accessible in the wall that includes the red Enterprise schematic.
Yeah, you need a wall panel to act as a hidden door if you're going to have a second exit. I hadn't heard about this one, but yeah. Or else the trapdoor idea.
I never claimed LIS was consistent. I said both shows use "magic" science.
Third deck? The creature in the Space creature" was on the third deck and fell down into a well like structure, necessitating a fourth deck, I think!
GNDN18 said:
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It's starting to look that way. I believe the TOS shuttlecraft was also bigger on the inside. Which makes me feel like *$*($#^&%.
Ridiculously the Jupiter could travel through a galaxy over night where as the Enterprise could only reach Andromeda in three hundred years once it's engines had been adapted! That means either the Jupiter was in a section of space where galaxies were much smaller and closer together or the writers got it all mixed up with solar systems!
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There were a lot of reasons why LiS changed the way it did.
If the show had debuted just a year later I doubt it would have started off as grim and hardboiled as it did. There was a radical shift in the style of television when things went from B&W to color and especially from the summer of love period onward.
It was also far more acceptable to retcon a show as they went along as there weren't VCRs or obsessive fans memorizing every last piece of world-building, or maybe there were, but certainly not an internet capable of blowing every inconsistency into a major scandal each week. So each week's episode or maybe a block of episodes (as LiS did contain some callbacks which were unusual) feels more like a pocket-universe.
Either you're willing to go along for a stream-of-consciousness ride like that or you aren't.
Really the only thing that remained consistent in LiS is the look and feel of the tech. It definitely has its own distinctive vibe to it, that warmed over Forbidden Planet mixed with some vaguely NASA-looking elements.
TOS definitely holds up better to today's continuity police than LiS does but that doesn't mean LiS deserves to be trashed on that basis. It committed far worse sins in the storytelling department than just continuity, and some of the continuity errors take place in some of the more enjoyable episodes.
If the show had debuted just a year later I doubt it would have started off as grim and hardboiled as it did. There was a radical shift in the style of television when things went from B&W to color and especially from the summer of love period onward.
It was also far more acceptable to retcon a show as they went along as there weren't VCRs or obsessive fans memorizing every last piece of world-building, or maybe there were, but certainly not an internet capable of blowing every inconsistency into a major scandal each week. So each week's episode or maybe a block of episodes (as LiS did contain some callbacks which were unusual) feels more like a pocket-universe.
Either you're willing to go along for a stream-of-consciousness ride like that or you aren't.
Really the only thing that remained consistent in LiS is the look and feel of the tech. It definitely has its own distinctive vibe to it, that warmed over Forbidden Planet mixed with some vaguely NASA-looking elements.
TOS definitely holds up better to today's continuity police than LiS does but that doesn't mean LiS deserves to be trashed on that basis. It committed far worse sins in the storytelling department than just continuity, and some of the continuity errors take place in some of the more enjoyable episodes.
There's a whole category of LIS fan that only cares about the hardware. Some guys are obsessed with the Robot, for others it's the Jupiter 2. Every episode gives you a little something. And most episodes give you some tracked John Williams music in the score. If you like the cast on top of all that, you're hooked.
LiS' Jupiter interiors were rarely designed with scientific accuracy (or futurist projection) in mind, since so many consoles were heavily recycled surplus consoles from airplanes, industrial machines, etc., some as old as the 1940s, used for a series plot beginning in 1997. You could easily swap parts of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea's sub control room consoles with the Jupiter II and no one would notice. Thanks to El Cheapo Irwin Allen.
I'm not surprised NASA distanced themselves from that show.
In fact they did use stock footage of a radar scope from "Voyage" in some Third Season episodes- and LIS fans definitely noticed. I could write a whole article on the ship and its continuity here, but I doubt anyone is interested.
The Jupiter 2 is my all time favorite sci-fi spacecraft, and LIS is my all time favorite sci-fi show. That doesn't mean I don't love Star Trek, it's perfectly alright to be a fan of both and I am glad that some people here are.
The Jupiter 2 sets were more expensive than the Enterprise, so yes, they do look better in many ways. I also think the premise of a years long voyage in Suspended Animation is more plausible than Warp Drive, even though the Jupiter 2 did have a Hyperdrive onboard from the beginning. But in the Third Season, it acquires an alien propulsion system which accounts for all that "planet hopping".
I'm not going to deny that LIS was scientifically inaccurate, the writers clearly didn't know what a galaxy was, but that is part of the charm and as has been pointed out here, its not like Star Trek was flawless either- both shows had great episodes and bad episodes, and both shows had great spaceships/starships. Also both shows have large fanbases that obsess over details, I really wish we could all get along. Both shows are excellent for what they are, even if different people have different ideas of what that is... and that's okay, because it's great that people still talk about this 50 plus years later!
The Jupiter 2 is my all time favorite sci-fi spacecraft, and LIS is my all time favorite sci-fi show. That doesn't mean I don't love Star Trek, it's perfectly alright to be a fan of both and I am glad that some people here are.
The Jupiter 2 sets were more expensive than the Enterprise, so yes, they do look better in many ways. I also think the premise of a years long voyage in Suspended Animation is more plausible than Warp Drive, even though the Jupiter 2 did have a Hyperdrive onboard from the beginning. But in the Third Season, it acquires an alien propulsion system which accounts for all that "planet hopping".
I'm not going to deny that LIS was scientifically inaccurate, the writers clearly didn't know what a galaxy was, but that is part of the charm and as has been pointed out here, its not like Star Trek was flawless either- both shows had great episodes and bad episodes, and both shows had great spaceships/starships. Also both shows have large fanbases that obsess over details, I really wish we could all get along. Both shows are excellent for what they are, even if different people have different ideas of what that is... and that's okay, because it's great that people still talk about this 50 plus years later!
