And presumably this would include any small, lightly armed science ships that could shoot down the drill in seconds
A quick question asked of me by non-Trekkie friend.
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And presumably this would include any small, lightly armed science ships that could shoot down the drill in seconds
Not bitter at all.
A tiny ship that was state of the art for speed and maneuverability 130 in the future. That's more technological advancements than between an F-22 Raptor and a WWI Fokker. Worth mentioning.
Are we sure that Starfleet had fighters? Or just shuttles? Do the shuttles have any weapons at all? It seemed that the fleet that went to vulcan consisted of the only ships Starfleet had available at the time, so there would be no ships in orbit to defend Earth anyway.
Perhaps, but more powerfull than all of the defensive weapons on an entire planet? Ground weapons/ missiles, shuttles, aircraft, orbital defenses, starships, hand-held, commandos with explosives, surface to air weapons? Did the Narada disable them all? If so how?
Lets not forget what was at stake here.
It's never really seemed like many Alpha Quadrant powers tended to use much in the way of anti-vessel defences, not until the Dominion War do we see automated weapons platforms, and even then, we see that they were even tricked to firing back on their own side. Maybe it's a case of the best defence against starships is other starships? 
Lol, no need to get so defensive.Two mildly-phrased sentences hardly constitutes a "rant fest". It was just my opinion. Plus I never said I didn't like it. And yes, I had an answer. That was it. And based on his question, I'm guessing the friend came to the same conclusion after watching the movie.
I wasn't getting defensive, I was just wondering if you had a view as to why, if that is your answer, then there ya go.... at the time it didn't sound like an answer, my mistake.
Oh wait a second.... wasn't it Spock's ship that shot up the drill? That would make sense that that tiny ship could do such damage compared to the Enterprise or any Earth defenses, because it was from the same era/technology as Nero's ship, thus it would have a greater affect against Nero's defenses.
The reason Nero left the Enterprise intact was that Spock was on it. If the Enterprise had tried to destroy the drill platform, Nero would have simply removed Spock and destroyed the Enterprise, along with any hope they had -- as the last available ship -- to rescue any Vulcans.
Within story, the obvious explantion is Nero's little slug did its work, and Pike revealed whatever information that Nero needed to at least temporarily disable Earth's defenses.
I mean, he chooses to drill right in Starfleet's back yard. San Francisco. I don't think he'd have chosen such a brazenly confident place to attack if he hadn't known Earth's defenses were down. After all, his technology is over 100 years better than Earth's. It may not have been that hard.
Now yes, the Jellyfish's weapons did snap the drill easily and conveniently. But the Jellyfish's weapons were 24th century technology.
I mean, he chooses to drill right in Starfleet's back yard. San Francisco. I don't think he'd have chosen such a brazenly confident place to attack if he hadn't known Earth's defenses were down. After all, his technology is over 100 years better than Earth's. It may not have been that hard.
Now yes, the Jellyfish's weapons did snap the drill easily and conveniently. But the Jellyfish's weapons were 24th century technology.
True.
However, I believe it was a mistake not to show something of those Earth defenses anyway.
At the very least they should have shown some debris in orbit of defenseless stuff Nero shot or have had some shuttles and other aircraft try to destroy the drill only to be easily shot down by a few torpedoes.
While it is not logical, I have often found it to be true.
This was my thought when I read the OP's post. Here in the United States, we had the same questions. I agree with the posters that a few more shots of disabled/wrecked ships would have dispensed with this argument before it began.
Given your friends apparent ability to over-look the obvious, (Pine had given up Earth's defenses) I predict he'll make a edition to our merry group here someday.
I took it that Pike through the torture of the bug inside him gave the defence, but never wondered why earth didn't mount an attack. But would it have made much difference, after all Neros ship as from the future and though only a mining ship it may have had far superior weaponary than Star Fleet of that period, so Nero would just have knocked them out of the way.
The same question could asked of the Vulcans, why did they not do something. I know that they are peaceful but they must have a defence force of some kind?
The same question could asked of the Vulcans, why did they not do something. I know that they are peaceful but they must have a defence force of some kind?
In Gene Roddenberry's novelization of ST:TMP, Kirk spoke of (thought of) the hope that the combined firepower of both Earth and Luna would be able to destroy V'Ger. When you think of the warp core on a starship that powers the weapons, then consider the power sources and multiple weapons of a planet the size of Earth. And if Nero turns them off, here's an idea, turn them back on.
Kirk and Sulu disabled the drill at Vulcan with hand weapons (yes too late).
My Robau, some people who love the movie are total dicks.
I try to enjoy it, but you (not just you guys, but folks from other forums) make it really hard to.
I try to enjoy it, but you (not just you guys, but folks from other forums) make it really hard to.
Interesting. You made me wonder if, before the Narada came bursting through whatever the medium separating the Universes, these Local Races weren't enjoying a relatively Peaceful time...
