A NuFan Perspective

[miniglik]

Hi Welcome! I just got here a few weeks ago myself, but have been watching TOS since the 70s.

I like Star Wars and Farscape too by the way

Don't be scared to post here, everyone I have met has been very nice

Give TOS a try, you might really like it.

I agree with you on the casting choices. I like them too they did an amazing job.

I was so shell shocked leaving the theater the first time around, that aside from McCoy and Kirk, I had to let it all sink in. Spock grew on me and over time so has Scotty. They were good, and they were the same as TOS characters... but somehow different.

I like what you said about Spock having a need for vengeance and Kirk's jettisoning, I never thought of it that way. As you said, it was so out of character for him, I just chalked it up to a plot point. But that's an interesting thought.

Again, welcome!

Thank you! Welcome, yourself.

I could go on and on about Farscape, but part of the reason I watched this movie was friends convincing me it was "kind of like Farscape." I didn't know how this could be, as I always thought of Farscape as anti-Trek. (Where the people with the "peacekeeping armada" were the badguys, and the good guys were outlaws and misfits. Where the hero didn't always save the day, and certainly didn't get to win every fight. Where the hard choices weren't made with long discussions about their merits, and where all the protagonists were pushed absolutely to their psychological limits, then pushed even more.)

After seeing the movie, I kind of see what they mean. Certainly in how the story isn't about the plot, the plot is just a way to work in the character development. And in how the swashbuckling male lead doesn't win his fights (and actually loses, a lot).

 

[miniglik]

Another welcome, Nufan OP. I think you've identified exactly why I'm a star trek fan and why I loved this movie. It's the characters, the friendship, the trust, the love, the depth of their pain, their triumph over pain, their values, and their mission -- not just the visionary mission of Starfleet but their personal missions to become better people and make the universe a better place. In no other place can I find these things than in Star Trek.

I do not pretend to know the thoughts of every Star Trek fan, but I'd always been led to believe that part of what people love about the franchise is the hope for a better tomorrow and altruistic heroes working together to that end. And while I do think I'd like the character interactions, I kind of wonder if it might be a little too altruistic for me. I'm more a fan of the misfit, battered, grey characters. My favorite franchises are all darker and are filled with characters who aren't part of the system, they're fighting the system.

Anyone who can make Galaxy Quest references is okay in my book.

Mine too.

I like what you said about Spock having a need for vengeance and Kirk's jettisoning, I never thought of it that way. As you said, it was so out of character for him, I just chalked it up to a plot point. But that's an interesting thought...

I thought it was the logical thing to do; Spock was learning the undefatigable dynamism of J.T. Kirk. Spock didn't look one bit surprised to see Jim show up on the monitor down in hydraulics.

yeah, it was first exposure for him and he clearly did not react well

Not well at all. Just like he didn't react well to anyone talkin' 'bout his mama.

miniglik, sci-fi was huge in the 1950's. My dad wrote sci-fi for his college freshman English & Composition classes. He considered studying astronomy, but went into engineering. His favorite show was Twilight Zone. (Hogan's Heroes was a close second, I think.)

It's neat how the love of science fiction can be passed down.

Miniglik, I think you're in good shape for not only all of the great (and not-so-great) material Star Trek has to offer, but I'd say you're ready for its fans, too.

Welcome.

I love fandoms. You meet a lot of interesting and enthusiatic people obsessed with the same things you are, and at the very worst you can laugh at how bat-guano-crazy handfuls of them can be.

Okay, sorry for spamming this thread. Caught up now

 

[miniglik]

***don't know how to delete.

 

[seniorsleuth]

Hi Welcome! I just got here a few weeks ago myself, but have been watching TOS since the 70s.

I like Star Wars and Farscape too by the way

Don't be scared to post here, everyone I have met has been very nice

Give TOS a try, you might really like it.

I agree with you on the casting choices. I like them too they did an amazing job.

I was so shell shocked leaving the theater the first time around, that aside from McCoy and Kirk, I had to let it all sink in. Spock grew on me and over time so has Scotty. They were good, and they were the same as TOS characters... but somehow different.

I like what you said about Spock having a need for vengeance and Kirk's jettisoning, I never thought of it that way. As you said, it was so out of character for him, I just chalked it up to a plot point. But that's an interesting thought.

Again, welcome!

Thank you! Welcome, yourself.

I could go on and on about Farscape, but part of the reason I watched this movie was friends convincing me it was "kind of like Farscape." I didn't know how this could be, as I always thought of Farscape as anti-Trek. (Where the people with the "peacekeeping armada" were the badguys, and the good guys were outlaws and misfits. Where the hero didn't always save the day, and certainly didn't get to win every fight. Where the hard choices weren't made with long discussions about their merits, and where all the protagonists were pushed absolutely to their psychological limits, then pushed even more.)

After seeing the movie, I kind of see what they mean. Certainly in how the story isn't about the plot, the plot is just a way to work in the character development. And in how the swashbuckling male lead doesn't win his fights (and actually loses, a lot).

As a Farscape fan who also likes Trek, one of the things I noticed about this movie is their attempt to make Kirk more vulnerable and compromised. He's not getting the girl, winning the fights (until the end of course), and he seems to always be bruised, battered or infirmed. So much like Crichton (except for the girl part).

And I agree with you that nuTrek's plot was thin, but that the characters carried the day. It was almost necessary to be light on plot this time around because the key to rebooting the franchise was to get people invested in the characters. Next time around, I trust the plot will be improved.

 

[miniglik]

As a Farscape fan who also likes Trek, one of the things I noticed about this movie is their attempt to make Kirk more vulnerable and compromised. He's not getting the girl, winning the fights (until the end of course), and he seems to always be bruised, battered or infirmed. So much like Crichton (except for the girl part).

And I agree with you that nuTrek's plot was thin, but that the characters carried the day. It was almost necessary to be light on plot this time around because the key to rebooting the franchise was to get people invested in the characters. Next time around, I trust the plot will be improved.

It amuses me to no end that Kirk is in five brawls/fist fights and loses every single one.

But I just said something similar to you in the "Anyone else prefer Pine to Shatner" thread. This movie, I think, makes Kirk someone I can like better because, though he's arrogant, nothing comes easy to him. Command doesn't seem his divine right, he wasn't simply born into being a commander and hero and all around Great Man. I like that.

 

[pookha]

Hi and welcome

I also enjoyed what's left undiscussed, like Spock's out-of-character jettisoning of Kirk. In that instance, as we find out later in Spock's discussion with his father, we find that Spock was finding himself consumed with the uncomfortable emotional need for vengeance, and yet here he doesn't show it, and instead takes a fairly unreasonable stance against the man proposing the course of action Spock himself must have been tempted to take.

It took me 3 viewings to understand the meaning of Spock's actions, which I thought were out of character, and like you, it happened during Spock's conversation with his father in the transporter room, when he says he's afraid of the anger and the desire for vengeance he's feeling.
He's so blinded by not wanting to give in that he can't see that the logical solution is to go after Nero before he destroys Earth, and ASAP.
Kirk echoes his illogical desire to give in his feelings and to pursue Nero instead of joinging with the reminder of the fleet and, by jettisoning Kirk, it's like nuSpock is jettisoning his own anger out of the Enterprise, as well as the temptation to give into that anger.

QUOTE]I thought it was the logical thing to do; Spock was learning the undefatigable dynamism of J.T. Kirk. Spock didn't look one bit surprised to see Jim show up on the monitor down in hydraulics.

I noticed that too and his look reminded me of the look Spock Prime would have sometimes in TOS, something like "Figures..."

sorta the one where kirk asks for advice ,,
spock gives it and then kirk does something else..

 

[Australis]

TNZ os okay, I post there a lot.

I just wish certain posters from this forum would come down there and post what they think of the film and the people who like it, then we'd see how the rat chews the cheese! The TNZ TrekXI threads have actually been fairly polite and positive.

But yes, weird stuff goes on down there too.

 

[ShimmeringFacet]

TNZ os okay, I post there a lot.

I just wish certain posters from this forum would come down there and post what they think of the film and the people who like it, then we'd see how the rat chews the cheese! The TNZ TrekXI threads have actually been fairly polite and positive.

But yes, weird stuff goes on down there too.

Hehe! I like that expression- how the rat chews the cheese. never heard it.
I got a chance to check out TNZ, btw and it wasn't so bad-pretty much like most forums. Except for some f bombs and ad hominems which sort of seemed tongue in cheek-although maybe I didn't see enough threads.... But anyway, I was expecting a sort of trekkie right wing hate speech/Stormfront forum, but thankfully that's not allowed.
Anyway, carry on!