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A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

Just to be absolutely clear, the episode was not implying that Vorlons are in any way divine, merely that they can present themselves that way to others.
 
The godlike aliens are demigods? I don't know, I was never all that surprised.

Perhaps not in those terms, but in terms of pure imagery I defy anyone to claim to have expected a bald glowing human in a nightgown to jump out of that suit! ;)
Oh god no. I'd actually expected the Vorlons never to appear to the audience; it's more mystical and numinous that way.

It's a question that didn't need to be answered, really.
 
Kosh was certainly on the show from the start, but he had never displayed the ability to fly like an angel before. ;)
That we saw. The sound of his wings was heard a couple of times before, though. You couldnt' extrapolate from that? :p

Jan
 
Kosh was certainly on the show from the start, but he had never displayed the ability to fly like an angel before.
Wrong. Not only was he seen as a projection on the wall in "Midnight on the Firing Line" floating this way and that, he also clearly made an angel wing flapping sound in "Chrysalis," as Jan said, and then there's Dr. Kyle's comments in the pilot. That's at least 3 episodes that point to it previous to this one.
 
This thread has had more than it's share of snot, starting with the OP (no offense, TGB, it's just your style), forward.

We need a "watch your step" sign for wet floors.
 
Oh god no. I'd actually expected the Vorlons never to appear to the audience; it's more mystical and numinous that way.

It's a question that didn't need to be answered, really.
Yeah it didn't need answering, except for the tiny part where it's integral to the story Joe wanted to tell.
 
That we saw. The sound of his wings was heard a couple of times before, though. You couldnt' extrapolate from that? :p

Jan
What do I look like, an extrapolation machine? :p Just because I have LEDs in my chest and a capacitor sticking out my my ear doesn't mean I'm a computer.

Beep.

Wrong. Not only was he seen as a projection on the wall in "Midnight on the Firing Line" floating this way and that
Really? I didn't notice.

he also clearly made an angel wing flapping sound in "Chrysalis," as Jan said,
He could just have easily been a pegasus, or a pigeon. Now, if Kosh was a pigeon the episode would have gotten five stars!

and then there's Dr. Kyle's comments in the pilot.
I don't remember Dr Kyle saying "Hey, my dawgs, Kosh is an angel, yo! And he can fly like a mothafucka!" Of course, if Dr Kyle had said that I would have accused JMS of stereotyping black people, which is ironic because I am now preparing to vigorously defend myself from the very same claims. :shifty:

This thread has had more than it's share of snot, starting with the OP (no offense, TGB, it's just your style), forward.
I am offended. :(
 
Really? I didn't notice.
Well regardless it was there and was always intended to be, so it's your own fault for not paying attention! ;)

As I'm sure others have already said, B5 is the sort of show that benefits from a second viewing when you notice things being foreshadowed much earlier than you thought and certain phrases suddenly take on new meaning.
 
I am offended. :(

Please don't be. I AM really enjoying your reviews. I do like your style (the snottiness not intended to be a disparagement and I apologize if you take it as such), and I like a newbie B5 fan discovering the show.

I'm not overstating things by calling you a fan, am I?

:cool:
 
Oh god no. I'd actually expected the Vorlons never to appear to the audience; it's more mystical and numinous that way.

It's a question that didn't need to be answered, really.
Yeah it didn't need answering, except for the tiny part where it's integral to the story Joe wanted to tell.
Yes, because I knew that when I was watching the series.

And as far as the broader picture goes, the who and why of the Vorlons matter far more than their apperance, I think, and that is important only by way of illustrating the who and why. Couldn't they just have appeared as various religious figures? I read what JMS wrote on the occasion and he stressed that the Vorlons were shown as famous disciples in the faiths of the alien races, and that's not such a bad idea.

Anyway, enough of that. Season three is the best year of Babylon 5, I'm going to go ahead and stake my claim to this stand now (though season four has a very excellent patch as well.)
 
Cart before the horse. Read my previous posts.

No we've seen that Londo doesn't have the beliefs as even Vir does, it's more than alittle odd that he didn't see anything at all.

Nonsense. They were both raised in a multitheistic culture with the Great Maker and the larger Pantheon. What they individually believe, deep down is neither here nor there. A projected image that's intended to inspire awe and belief would be pretty damn useless if it didn't work on individuals that didn't already believe. As to why a Centauri, specifically didn't see anything, I addressed that in the spoiler tags, so won't be repeating it here.

Kind of funny then that Londo had to ask Vir how many Gods on in their pantheon and said 50 but he doesn't one of the Emperors. In some ways he reminds me of Charles Laguhton's character in Spartacus, he publically believed in all of the Gods but privately believed in none of them.
 
Oh god no. I'd actually expected the Vorlons never to appear to the audience; it's more mystical and numinous that way.

It's a question that didn't need to be answered, really.
Yeah it didn't need answering, except for the tiny part where it's integral to the story Joe wanted to tell.
Yes, because I knew that when I was watching the series.

Damn JMS for not telling the end before the rest of the story! :p
 
Kind of funny then that Londo had to ask Vir how many Gods on in their pantheon and said 50 but he doesn't one of the Emperors. In some ways he reminds me of Charles Laguhton's character in Spartacus, he publically believed in all of the Gods but privately believed in none of them.

That pretty much sums up Londo in a lot of ways. He doesn't by half the crap he comes out with, but he feels compelled to conform out of a sense of duty. having said that I never got the impression that any Centauri that we saw (which to be fair was mostly the wealthy ruling class) were particularly religious, at least not in any way the average western human might recognise.

Trivia time: Zoog wasn't a deified Emperor, he was just a household of a noble family that used it's influence to "force" it to be recognised in the greater pantheon. Hence Vir not thinking he/she/it should count.
 
Kind of funny then that Londo had to ask Vir how many Gods on in their pantheon and said 50 but he doesn't one of the Emperors. In some ways he reminds me of Charles Laguhton's character in Spartacus, he publically believed in all of the Gods but privately believed in none of them.

That pretty much sums up Londo in a lot of ways. He doesn't by half the crap he comes out with, but he feels compelled to conform out of a sense of duty. having said that I never got the impression that any Centauri that we saw (which to be fair was mostly the wealthy ruling class) were particularly religious, at least not in any way the average western human might recognise.

Trivia time: Zoog wasn't a deified Emperor, he was just a household of a noble family that used it's influence to "force" it to be recognised in the greater pantheon. Hence Vir not thinking he/she/it should count.

The lack of any real religious pratices among the Centauri would go along to explaining Londo's reaction to Kosh. And it should be noted that Zoog is one letter away from Zog. ;)
 
Please don't be. I AM really enjoying your reviews. I do like your style (the snottiness not intended to be a disparagement and I apologize if you take it as such), and I like a newbie B5 fan discovering the show.
Don't worry about it, I was only kidding. ;) I'm well aware of my snottiness, and I have sucessfully integrated it into my life! :D

I'm not overstating things by calling you a fan, am I?
I'm beginning to form a connection to the universe, so I guess that makes me a fan. It's really all depending on season 3 at this point, and I have a good feeling that it's not going to disappoint.
 
I think season four is the one that is consistently the best. Three is great, too, but it builds up. Four shoots right out the door.
 
Season 3 and 4 >> Season 2 >>> Season 1 >>>>> Pilot movie.


I bought the box about a year ago, planning to watch through it all, kept a good pace UNTIL.... Season 4 finale.

Hate it. HATE it. I assume this is blasphemy amongst B5 fans?

I will be curious to see what Godben thinks. I have not kept up with this thread like the Voy or Ent threads, actually first I looked in a while and I'm mainly curious about the season review posts. But I will lurk and be very curious to see opinions at the end of S4.

That said, the show improves greatly. Enjoy, the next 2 seasons are the reasons this show has its hardcore fans.
 
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