a new hire for a new show

[fireproof78]

If only there was some other programming to watch out there.

 

[cooleddie74]

No one was calling for more oriental people in SW but when one was added, we were all happy about it. It fit the story.. I don't think any issues either positive or negative were made about it. It just was.

Were you even conscious after Rose Tico was announced and then appeared?

 

[fireproof78]

Were you even conscious after Rose Tico was announced and then appeared?

Yeah, there is no way one can cite Rose as a non-controversial character.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Jar Jar was fine and most people didn't say anything about him."

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"Jar Jar was fine and most people didn't say anything about him."

Even better: "Jar Jar was fine, and no one was critical about him."

 

[cooleddie74]

Meesa no seein' what de big deal-io is!!!

 

[Mudd]

You do realize that shows that try to be inclusive.. when that simple objective comes before anything else, they are actually more divisive, not less.

No, they don't.

They just upset a few people who don't want anything to change.

Folks like this guy:

 

[fireproof78]

No, they don't.

They just upset a few people who don't want anything to change.

Folks like this guy:

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wow. That is so on point.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Disney ruined it. Thank you Kathleen "stop taking my hand!" Kennedy.

 

[fireproof78]

Disney ruined it. Thank you Kathleen "stop taking my hand!" Kennedy.

Nope.

Sorry.

The fans have ruined it, starting with the Ewoks and slowing eroding it from there.

TIme to move on if it gives no more joy.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

People don't like to be pandered to

 

[fireproof78]

Then it will stop making money. Too bad, so sad, bye-bye.

Even if I believed there was pandering (I don't) I have yet to hear how inclusion is bad. At all. Especially after watching things like Forces of Destiny and seeing my daughters enjoy that series quite a bit.

Not like we don't have a ton of SW content already. Life is too short to complain about something we don't like, and ignore things we actually do.

 

[Maurice]

People don't like to be pandered to

Traslation: People like you don't like people pandering to people not like you.

 

[Jayson1]

People don't like to be pandered to

I have a question. What current day shows or movies do you like? Also do you like anything outside of the sci-fi/fantasy genre? I think many people who have these issues tend to be genre locked I guess you could say. That means they have not opened themselves up to stuff outside of the type of shows they might have liked as a kid and teen. As you get older your tastes tend to get more sophisticated and while people still can and do love the old stuff it means that it does tend to play to a younger audience and Generation X is not the youth market anymore. Sure we were the coolest greatest of generations as proven through science but we aren't the young anymore. Go try some newer and different types of stuff and then enjoy the old stuff that still plays way to your interests.

Jason

 

[cooleddie74]

Disney ruined it. Thank you Kathleen "stop taking my hand!" Kennedy.

No, if anything has damaged cinematic Star Wars it's been mediocre storytelling, not Disney's ownership nor Kathleen Kennedy. The Disney Era of the franchise has also given us The Mandalorian, Rebels and the final episodes of The Clone Wars so even if one doesn't like the adventures of Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo they have other adventures that not only strongly echo the feel and delivery of the Original Trilogy and even the Prequels but give us characters that you can consider to be "more traditional."

So, no, Disney didn't ruin anything any more than George ruined Star Wars by basing three entire movies on trade blockades, Senate politics and droids that can barely win at arm wrestling and repeatedly say "Roger, Roger!"

 

[Mudd]

Disney ruined it. Thank you Kathleen "stop taking my hand!" Kennedy.

It's too bad for you that you don't like Star Wars any more. Most people like it.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I have a question. What current day shows or movies do you like? Also do you like anything outside of the sci-fi/fantasy genre? I think many people who have these issues tend to be genre locked I guess you could say. That means they have not opened themselves up to stuff outside of the type of shows they might have liked as a kid and teen. As you get older your tastes tend to get more sophisticated and while people still can and do love the old stuff it means that it does tend to play to a younger audience and Generation X is not the youth market anymore. Sure we were the coolest greatest of generations as proven through science but we aren't the young anymore. Go try some newer and different types of stuff and then enjoy the old stuff that still plays way to your interests.

Jason

First, I want to thank you for your posts and replies. They have been thoughtful and respectful, and I really appreciate it.

I guess I just love a good story, and one that is well-told. What I've found is that the usual criticism of "that's predictable" - which leads to people enjoying twists and films that subvert their expectations - has not really been a problem for. I don't mind surprises, but I also don't mind finding myself watching a story that it's obvious how it will play out, especially if the story is well-told and I like the characters. I don't constantly binge new shows or movies because i try to to write as much as i can, but it makes it that much more of an occasion when i set the time to do so, and I shut the lights, and get a snack, get the sound system ready and focus on something new. I don't being a bit behind on new material. But, like most people here returning yo familiar worlds - worlds I grew up on and that mean something to me - like Star Wars or Star Trek or Lord of the Rings- is just as important to me.

 

[fireproof78]

But, even if the worlds are important (certainly they are to me) that doesn't mean there isn't room for change.

 

[Neroon]

Oh, fuck off, you tedious little shit. If you're that threatened by women characters, women writers, women directors, women producers, and women executives, then you should probably stay in your basement. It's not safe out there. You might catch their cooties or something.

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So why won't they talk about it.. even leave an open-ended slot on their website.. or tell us something about the show, the time period? Isn't it odd that the only thing we know about the show is that it's female centric? Considering the entertainment climate right now, is that really the one aspect of the show they want to pimp BEFORE anything else?

My question is rhetorical by the way. this is not a show Disney would ever plan on making and that Variety was writing the story based on a deliberate scoop from KK or Headlund or someone close to them. I won't be able to cinematic you of that, except to say that there is no reason to announce THIS show in THIS way right now.. the shareholders blah blah blah.. they'd rather hear that the current business and the current projects already out there can be completed.. that's what they want to hear right now

I might add alone that this announcement alone has nor forever trivialized the franchise. I won't argue that in the past, for about 30 years the central characters were always male. but they never went out of their way to tell people that the films and were male- centric or that they were aimed at a male audience. That would have been stupid. That would have been dumber than filming the prequels on green screen sets and over-processing them in a computer. They made the films for everyone. With one announcement the brand has been tarnished forever.. and everyone has been insulted.

Warning for trolling not only this but a recognized history of problems in this forum.

 

[Qonundrum]

Exactly so.

And, frankly, I am at the point where I have to ask what the fandom gets out of this? No, seriously, I want a real answer. What does fandom get out of arguing over recent announcements of hiring and firing by a corporation that they have no stake in. Fans, myself included, are not entitled to anything from Disney. They are allowed to do whatever they want, and then the consumer can decide if they want to buy the product or not.

But, this has hit the point where fans have gotten the sense that they somehow control all of Disney's inner workings. And, we don't. We don't have that kind of power, and complaining about this comes across as petty. At this point, I would say to fans please put your money where your mouth is. Stop buying Disney products, stop buying LFL products, unsubscribe from Disney+ and don't watch ABC, ESPN, etc. Go out and find enjoyment in the thing you are supposedly a fan of rather than reasons to complain.

/rant.

Sorry all.

If only they'd sell blu-ray remasterings of the original films, without the CGI blobbed in. That would get even the biggest "Reylo" haters to splurge!

And there's no reason for them to tell us anyway.

Advertising and building up interest from an audience?

Times have changed.