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A Journey

^IIRC, they found it almost instantly after Riker remembered that it involved an Enterprise...so they needed that vital second bit of info to narrow the search.

It's ahead of where I'm at in "the journey", but I also appreciated "Night Terrors" for its atmosphere. Granted the Troi stuff was positively painful, but I'd grown a thick skin to it by that point in the show. I never understood why this one tended to be classified as one of the series' worst.
 
The Old Mixer said:
tomalak301 said:
I think if I have only one minor complaint about this episode, it’s that the solution is a tad bit too obvious (And we were going back to season 1 quality in competency, which isn’t good) upon looking at the entire episode as a whole. With a virus, one of the first things you do is shut down the system, yet it took them so long to come to that.
Hey, a lot of us didn't have computers yet in 1989, so it was new to me!

That's true, and probably a showing of TNG's age here. Like I said minor complaint and I need to see it in terms of what year the episode was made, but it did seem like it took too long to come up with that solution.
 
Well, this is one of the few times I'll be online this week. Figured I might as well post what I've got so far (which surprisingly isn't much. And I'd go watch more if I wasn't hanging out with family today.)

Evolution - The nanites make for an interesting antagonist. I thought the solution was interesting (using Data to communicate.) Also, the guy who plays Dr. Kelso from Scrubs is in this episode (He's the guy who made the "egg"). I remember the first time I watched this episode, my brother (who is a HUGE Scrubs fan) was in the room, he looked up at the screen and said "Oh my God that's Kelso!" We then went on the internet to look it up. Sure enough, he was right. Kinda surprised he recognized him considering how young he is in this episode.

The Ensigns of Command - Once again... It's a Data episode, so how can I not like it? :p The opening scene is interesting, with the discussion of excessive honesty and Data's reaction when Picard has to leave. Also, this is the first episode where Data gets kissed! That scene was pretty cute (especially when he gave the girl a kiss at the end of the episode.) And I kinda liked the solution, too.

So, I've only gotten those watched. Might watch more either later today or tomorrow (I'm getting kinda tired of playing Sims 2... caring for a baby/toddler in that game is a pain in the ass. So instead of playing it till the wee hours of the morning I'll just watch some TNG.)
 
K-Star said:
I remember the first time I watched this episode, my brother (who is a HUGE Scrubs fan) was in the room, he looked up at the screen and said "Oh my God that's Kelso!"

When I first watched this episode, there was no such thing as 'Scrubs'. Ah, the ravages of age...
 
^The first time I watched it was this summer, after dad gave me all seven seasons on DVD for my birthday. :p
 
Three cheers for K-Star's dad! And slow down, you're gonna zip right past me!

I'd cover the couple of episodes that you just did, but I'm a little buzzed from the post-Thanksgiving-dinner scotch.
 
Evolution

A low-key premiere. I liked the new uniforms and to this day they are one of my top three Trek uniforms. I loved seeing Gates return. I liked Wesley, always have, but this was an especially good episode for him. I liked Beverly's motherly concerns, Wes making a mistake, his Guinan interaction. The nanites were an interesting idea. I liked the name-dropping of the Borg. It had some nice visuals.

Ensigns of Command
Nothing outstandinng about it. Decent Trek fare and a nice Data vehicle. I liked the way he ultimately dealt with the colonists. Picard was great.

The Sheliak were a visually interesting alien race.
B.

The Survivors
An intriguing mystery episode. Why were an elderly couple spared death when the other colonists weren’t?

Lots of tantalizing questions(Who attacked the colony? Why is the warship interested in the Uxbridges?)

The episode has a bizarre and jarring image I’ll never forget in the form of the tract of green land amidst barren terrain as seen from orbit—something right out of the Twilight Zone.

TNG always managed to cast strong actors and this time was no different. John Anderson and Anne Haney created a couple I could easily see as having spent a lifetime together which made the loss of Rishon more cutting. Both the Uxbridges were believable characters on their own as well.

Kevin is this strong protective figure with a stern gruff personality who is deep down kind and gentle and Rishon is the loyal but independently-minded and strong-willed companion who insists on being polite and a good host. I really came to care for her as much as Kevin and it was heartbreaking seeing the illusion confused and not wanting to accept she wasn’t real all the time knowing the real Rishon died trying to defend her world.

I could definitely understand Kevin’s grief causing him to lash out because of pain and anger.

Picard shined in this outing whether when he checked on Troi or put the pieces together or his decision to leave Kevin. It made so much sense and I was glad to see the acknowledgment that sometimes the worst punishment for someone isn’t imprisonment but living forever with what they’ve done especially since Kevin was a being of great conscience.

I also liked the on-location shooting, the little insights/nuggets into the 24th century life that were sprinkled throughout(people living longer but looking younger than their age might suggest, the mention of Atlantis).

This was early enough in the show’s run before superbeings had become tiresome. A welcome bit of action seeing the Enterprise engaging the marauder, one of the more intimidating and nicely designed starships, I felt.

Lots of great twists whether the ship returning and then leaving abruptly or returning and ignoring Enterprise and destroying the house before it magically returns. And the music that wouldn't cease was nicely maddening.

A solid A.

Who Watches the Watchers?

A nicely done Prime Directive episode. Ray Wise was good. I liked Nuria. I liked Troi and Riker's banter when they went undercover. The little details such as Pulaski's memory erasure procedure to the difficulty with the sensors locating the crewman on the planet surface to the idea of a holographically-concealed duck blind study were appreciated.

Picard made a series of excellent arguments about supernatural entities and it doesn't hurt that I agree with everyone of them. I certainly don't see it as bashing religion. A-

The Bonding
I know this episode isn't well-liked but nevertheless I consider it a great hour.

For me it works because it appeals to me on a variety of levels--the intriguing mystery of what is on the planet and the emotional core anchoring the hour.

A show works best for me when I can relate to the characters or there are nice moments of reflection. There were both here. From the scene in Ten Forward where Data tries to understand how familiarity factors into a loss to Wes/Beverly remembering how they felt following Jack's to Troi being counselor to the crew. She made some good points. Picard had that wonderful speech at the end.

I liked Worf trying to befriend Jeremy and the final scene as they participate in the ceremony.

I always thought the name Koinoinian was cool. I liked the idea of a planet with a corporeal and non-corporeal lifeforms co-existing. I liked the teaser jumping right into the middle of things.

A-.

The Booby Trap

The thing about TNG is that from seasons 3-6 you pretty much knew that on any given week the episode would at least hold your attention and be solid even if it wasn't great. I categorize this episode as such.

I liked the jeopardy. I could buy into the threat even if the crew was going to be safe. I liked the tactics of getting out of the asteroid field. The music stood out. The Geordi/Leah stuff wasn't outstanding but decent.

And Picard had a nice moment with the thrill of going over the ancient vessel. ]B
 
I'm almost there. I got another 5 in tonight, and hope to start Season 3 tomorrow night or this weekend sometime. I still have one more to go in Season 2 but here's what I saw tonight.

Samaritan Snare

This was a start of a trifecta that wasn't particularly good. However, since we are talking about positive elements, I must say that I loved the scenes with Wes and Picard in the shuttle. We got to know more about both of them and it was nice to get some great character work.

As for the Pakled story, well, it speaks for itself. Not good, albiet not bad but it brought the episode down. I did notice two things Peculiar though. One was the glass door to enter the examination room on the Starbase and the other was Picard drinking coffee. One, with all the sliding doors, I found this 20th century glass door kind of amusing. As for Picard drinking coffee, I thought I was watching Janeway for a second. I always thought he drank earl gray tea.

Up the Long Latter

This one is another mixed bag. Not much to say about it really, but to keep positive, I loved the scene with Odell taking a shot of Klingon whiskey. That scene always cracks me up. :lol:

Manhunt

I like Lwaxana, but this wasn't one of her stronger episodes. It was great to see Dixon hill again, which was a highlight. Maybe it's just me but over the years, I always loved it when the characters would get out of uniform and go retro. The Dixon Hill stuff and suit and tie for both Picard and Data was nice.

The Emissary

This was probably the second best episode in the set. I have always loved K'Heylar (Even though I can never spell the name right) and it was a great introduction here. I must also say that I find her really attractive. Probably the best looking Klingon in the entire series, and that includes B'Elanna. :drool:

Peek Performance

I have always loved this episode. It was awesome to see Riker and Picard face off and I actually started wondering, who would I rather serve under, Picard or Riker. I was leaning towards Riker because at least he has a sense of humor to go along with his leadership. Picard is an awesome leader, but he can be stolid on occasion. ;)

Next up, the clip show and then the brand new season as well as, thankfully, the uniforms that became the TNG trademark.
 
Evolution – C+

A good episode, but I’m not a big Wesley fan. Still, the scenes with Beverly and Wesley rang true and were good, even if you don’t like Wesley. Stubbs character was a little over done in places for me. For some reason, at least to me, he didn’t seem to type to take overt action like trying to kill the nanites. But if he hadn’t, we wouldn’t have a plot I guess. Other than that, Stubbs was a pretty good character of the week. I happened to enjoy the baseball references. This was not quite good enough to earn a B from me, but still a decent way to start the season and reintroduce Beverly back to the crew.

I still get a kick from Beverly asking Guinan what she knows about the girl Wesley was with in the final scene.


The Ensigns of Command – B-

A good Data episode and a rather solid outing. Goshevan reminds me of those who, in the face of a global warming catastrophe, keep arguing that it either doesn’t exist or is a minor thing. What was it he zapped Data with anyway? I understand the dilemma of the colonists in not wanting to give up all they’ve done for something that they have no control over. One thing that bugs me about this episode is why Data waited until the last minute to explain to them that the aliens will zap them from orbit and they won’t stand a chance. It seems to me that was an important bit of information he should have given them from the beginning. But, again, we wouldn’t have a plot if he did that.

I like the sets on the planet and the background matte paintings in the episode, they add a lot to the atmosphere of the story.

The Survivors – B+

A wonderful episode, well written and acted by all except for Sirtis. One of the things this woman can not do is pain. She is horrible when having to act out pain. If it weren’t for that, this episode would probably get an A from me.

The Uxbridge couple was wonderfully acted. As startrekwatcher commented, they seemed so natural together. Kevin Uxbridge is a tragic character in the best of that tradition. He is someone with a good heart that has made a horrible mistake and has to live with it. This is the atypical TNG episode that this series did so well and what makes TNG the great show that it was.

Who Watches the Watchers? – A-

And it just keeps getting better with this one. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, this is when Star Trek does a message show right. This show has always been on my list of great TNG episodes and is just as rewatchable and enjoyable as it was the first time I saw it. Sirtis puts in a good performance in this one. Ever notice when she’s being serious and not whiny the Troi character is believable and good?

Stewart is made for this type of role and why TNG can have the dramatic impact in outings like this. The only thing that bothers me about this particular episode is how easily the Mintakans revert to their old beliefs. I suppose for a culture at their stage of development this could happen.

I love the ending scene where Picard is presented with the sash.

The Bonding – B+

I haven’t seen this one in long time was a little surprised at my good reaction to it. I remembered this episode as one I originally didn’t like much, hence I never rewatched it. Too bad for me as this is another excellently done show. And *gasp* this is another one with emotional Wesley/Beverly scenes that ring true. I also thought the scene where Wesley tells Picard how angry he was with him was poignant. The last scene with the candles was a nice touch.

Booby Trap – C-

I never liked the Geordi and Brahms thing, and her holodeck recreation was overdone in my opinion. The opening scene with Geordi trying to put his arm around the girl and the violinist was silly to say the least. The whole of this episode is below par for this series. But, I guess not every episode has to be a good one for each of us. This is the first one of season three I didn’t like much.

I did like the visuals of the alien ship and its interiors. It was a creepy thing slightly reminiscent of Alien, but not as good.
 
Season 3...at this point, the series starts becoming something greater than the sum of its episodes. Entering this season, even when I wasn't enthusiastic about revisiting a particular episode, once the DVD was spinning, the series that I loved so much when it originally aired began to envelop me like a warm blanket.

"Evolution"--A decent story, most noteworthy for being the Season 3 premiere, with its new uniforms and the return of Dr. Crusher--I distinctly remember cheering at the sight of her name in the credits when this originally aired.

As for me, when I caught an episode of Scrubs, my reaction was, "Hey! Wasn't that guy on Trek? Now who did he play...?"

I always took the reference to the last all-systems malfunction on a starship having occured 79 years previously to be a nod to the malfunctions that the Ent-A had experienced in STV, which had just been out the summer before this episode aired. For some reason, this is lost on Okuda, who speculates a connection to the Excelsior in his Chronology, despite the fact that according to that very Chronology, STV takes place the same year. Of course, he felt it necessary to put a disclaimer on the inclusion of STV, based on Roddenberry's opinion that it shouldn't be considered canon, so maybe he just didn't want to cross-promote a movie that he considered apocryphal.

"The Ensigns of Command"--I remember being enthusiastic for Data's relationship with the girl when this first aired. I do think that he was trying to tell them what the Sheliak would do in his previous arguments, but it was the demonstration of force that was needed to sell the argument.

Ah, the Sheliak...they make a good case for remastering this beloved series. Any sense of menace that they might have evoked was completely deflated when they showed up in the freighter from STIII....

By and far the most memorable part of this episode...Picard hanging up on the Sheliak. Absolutely priceless, right down to Riker's shit-eating grin.

"The Survivors"--A less enthusiastic viewing, though it has its good bits, especially Worf's interactions with the Uxbridges...from his complementing Kevin on his guile, to the classic, "Good tea. Nice house." I generally liked the Uxbridges, but found some of his delivery problematic. In particular, "I've taken the music from her mind" always bugged me. And the overall plot is pretty methodical.

Yes, Troi was painful. But ya gotta wonder what was going through that one blueshirt's head when she pleaded that she'd do anything he wanted if he'd make it stop...!

"Who Watches the Watchers?"--As with the clone thing in "Up the Long Ladder", I had to admire TNG for making its view on certain subjects perfectly clear, despite the possibility of alienating some viewers. A good exploration of why the Prime Directive is necessary, though it ultimately boils down to coming completely clean with the Mintakans.

One small problem I noticed with the episode this time around--Picard comments that the peaceful and rational nature of the Mintakans is hardly surprising, considering how their development parallels that of the Vulcans. Um...somebody didn't do their homework. The Vulcans were noted for having been savage and warlike in their early days. Their strict emotional control was considered a necessary suppression of their fundamentally aggressive nature.

"The Bonding"--Yes, this episode has problematic elements...most notably the child actor. I'm usually generous to child actors, but I remember reading that this one was difficult to work with, and it shows in his performance. However, I approached this episode with a new perspective this time around. When the episodes originally aired, I didn't know one Trek writer from another...and for the most part, I still don't. But this time I kept an eye on the fact that this was Ronald D. Moore's first script for the series. It definitely shows. Before the requisite sci fi dilemma shows up in the form of the fake mom, this episode presents an unusually throughtful approach to the subject of death. Back when we were on Season 1, I speculated that perhaps Tasha's death could have been better handled in the style of "The Bonding"--lose the tar baby, keep the actual event offscreen, and instead focus the episode on how the crew reacts to losing a valued comrade. I now feel all the more strongly that this would have been the correct approach, had Ron Moore been around to do it then. If one thing was lacking in the crew's reactions to Marla Aster's death, it was the fact that she was a character whom we'd never met. Imagine the resonance if it had been Tasha...!

"Booby Trap"--A fun episode, noteworthy for beginning the recurring story element of Geordi's lack of success with women. Levar Burton now implies that this may have been racially motivated, but I think it makes the character more identifiable with the audience.

This time around, watching with a critical eye, I found Geordi's basic purpose for going through the trouble of creating a holodeck simulation of the ship design facility to be lacking. He wants to see a cross-section model of the warp core, and what he finds in the simulation is a very flat, two-dimensional diagram that could just as easily have been displayed on a computer screen. It would have been much more impressive if they'd had an actual three-dimensional cutaway model...that I could see Geordi going to the holodeck for.

My favorite bit in this episode is Picard's rant about building ships in bottles.

Picard: "Oh, good lord. Didn't anybody here build ships in bottles when they were boys?"
Worf: "I did not play with toys."
Data: "I was never a boy."
Then O'Brien says that he did, and Riker reacts like he's kissing up! :lol:

That's it...you guys have caught up with me. I'll probably be lagging behind from here on.
 
The reason I like this so much is reading all the different takes on the episodes. As with episodes being dissimilar, so it is with everyones take on them.

I think what I might do later on is pick a few episodes for a seperate thread and quote everyone's review on it. Is that a good idea or not?
 
Well, I'm still going to be behind, but I'm starting Season 3 tonight. Hope you don't mind a review of the clip show before that though. :p
 
^^Depends on how you do it, Spider...guess I'd have to see. I'd certainly enjoy more back-and-forth discussion on individual episodes.

Good thread. Nice board.
 
The Old Mixer said:
^^Depends on how you do it, Spider...guess I'd have to see. I'd certainly enjoy more back-and-forth discussion on individual episodes.

Good thread. Nice board.

I guess that we all post here because we like TNG. That doesn’t mean we’ll all agree on individual episodes. I was thinking picking a few episodes that stand out as having different reviews would be fun. There have been a lot of comments on some of these episodes that I just didn’t think of, and it was great reading them.

Or, would it be better to just let the conversation flow in this thread to discuss individual episodes along with the reviews? It’s not a big thing, really, and I was throwing that out for everyone to think about. People start threads here all the time on individual episodes. I was just wondering if we wanted to (at times) narrow our discussion down to individual episodes in their own threads. It’s all good to me. I’m a big TNG fan and being a moderator in this forum actually means a lot to me. A lot of the comments on the reviews of the episodes express things I just didn't think of.
 
I think that new threads could encourage more back-and-forth. The thing with this thread is that it tends to keep everyone busy just keeping up and posting their own reviews...and we're watching at different paces...so no one episode is lingered upon for very long.

It could even be one, continuing thread like this one, with you throwing in a new episode for discussion every few days or whatever the pace may be.
 
Sometime this weekend I'll pick an episode that has some differing opinions, and quote the reviews in a new thread. We’ll try it out and see what happens. :)
 
Well, I finished Season 2.

Shades of Gray

Whenever this episode gets talked about, there is just so much venom spewed at it from the majority. Granted, there are those select few who enjoy it, like a lot of people in this thread, but it's usually regarded as "bottom of the barrel" for all things TNG considered. In response to that, I'm always confused as to why. Is it because it's a "clip show?" There are other clip shows in other shows and they aren't bad. There was a writers strike that year so I can understand why they did it. However, I would have preferred a swap of some kind to make Q Who? the Season Finale instead of Shades of Gray. But since they didn't do that, I look at it and the context for what it is.

I enjoyed this episode. I thought it was Pulaski's finest hour as a Doctor and solidified her as a great TNG character which was a crime that she was never brought back. I also enjoyed some of the wit and dialog between Picard and Riker and Troi and Riker (Keeping the sense of humor as always) at the beginning of the episodes.

As for the clips themselves, it was nice to go back and what the high leg-kick action of Conspiracy, or Riker be enveloped in Skin of Evil. Is this classic TNG? By no means, but it isn't bottom of the barrel stuff.

With that being said, time for the return of the other good Doctor, and a change in the theme tune sequence and uniform. Time to see TNG grow into its prime, one of the beautiful things about seeing these episodes again in order and being part of this thread. Looking forward to it.
 
I finished Disc One, and Spider, I would suggest the first episode you do in your single episode threads might be Who Watches the Watchers. This was the first time in a while I've seen this episode and I actually got a new appreciation for it. More on that in a sec, but I got to go in order. ;)

Evolution

Season Premieres it seems need to start with something big and grand. However, this one started with a very simple plot, and I think it worked really well. Plotwise, maybe it could have been better and Stubbs couldn't have come across as an asshole, but I really loved the solution to actually work together with the nanites and come to a common understanding. People always quote Berman and Braga as problems with modern trek. I think one problem it faced was the fact that Trek got too action oriented. It's great to go back to TNG and realize what made TNG work was that it wasn't action oriented but the solutions made sense. Also, I love the character work here, for Stubbs and Wes, for Beverly coming back with a sense of missing her son, and you know the Baseball references was Mike Piller (God Rest his soul :( ) making is presence felt.

I think I'm going to go back to grading these episodes because it gives a relative mark instead of saying "I love this episode" for all of them. :D So for this one: B+

The Ensigns of Command

Another interesting plot with more good character interaction. To be honest, I wasn't really interested in the people on the planet as much as what was going on on the ship. I did find Data's tactic to destroy the aqueduct system cool, as well and finding Data's girlfriend hot. Unfortunately she couldn't act really well.

As for the ship stuff, that is what makes this episode. Loved Picard in this one playing the Shiliak's game and ignoring them. Him wiping the plaque is one of my favorite scenes in all of TNG: "You Enjoyed that" "You're damned right" :guffaw: :guffaw:

B

The Survivors

This episode gets better with age. It's an interesting mystery that builds up to a very tragic conclusion that really works and is really touching. However, the episode loses marks because once again Marina Sirtis can't act her way out of a Paper Bag. I found her more annoying than the music.

B

Who Watches The Watchers

Like I said to start this post, I think I've gotten a little appreciation with this episode. I've just seen Pen Pals, and they did a good job debating the prime directive, but this episode goes a whole lot more deeper to the point where it really forces TNG to take a stand. I agree with Old Mixer in that this stand might alienate a few people, and this is what I wanted to say. I am a Catholic, and I find it hard to disagree with anything Picard said. All throughout our history, we've seen how people can take religions to the extreme to the point where it is superstition and fear. We've seen cults form (And aren't those religions in a sense as well?) and the disasters that could face that. Maybe TNG went to the extreme saying that they all lead to fear, but I say for most of them, especially the Catholic Church during the reformation, that is the case.

As for this episode itself, it was a great study on the prime directive and of ourselves I think. I loved the final scene with Picard and Nuria, and I love the fact that Picard has never forgotten the Mintakins by keeping the tapestry in his ready room. People criticize TNG for talking down to lesser people, yet I think this is an example of what I see TNG doing, taking a stand but respecting others in the process. It makes for great TV and I think shows why I love this series or one of the reasons. :thumbsup:

A-
 
tomalak301 said:
and you know the Baseball references was Mike Piller (God Rest his soul :( ) making is presence felt.
There's a cute story on one of the DVD extras about how everyone felt the baseball references were the best part of the script...then Gene Roddenberry came in and declared that there weren't enough aliens on the show, so they had to make the scientist an alien! Everyone was horrified at the thought of losing the baseball references, so they had to talk Gene into letting the character remain human.

However, the episode loses marks because once again Marina Sirtis can't act her way out of a Paper Bag. I found her more annoying than the music.
:lol: "Please--I'll do anything you want--MAKE HER STOP!"

Yeah, we only had to put up with the music for a few scenes in one episode...Troi we were stuck with for seven years!
 
tomalak301 said:
I enjoyed this episode.

I enjoyed it, too. I think it's got a few things going for it, and I think you've covered most of them. Of course I enjoy the moments between Riker and Troi, but I also think that the episode has got an interesting atmosphere, particularly at the beginning. There seems to be something ominous and doom-laded even at the start of the episode.
 
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