A hollow pipe??
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RobertScorpio
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I totally disagree..and always will..At least I AM throwing out ideas. What have I seen from those who are sitting in the peanut gallery? Nothing but hot air...give me some of your ideas or else, why call this a message board???
Come on Blaxxer and Samuel Jackson guy...give us one of your ideas, one will do..
Rob
Scorpio
hellsgate
Commodore
crewman47 & blaxxer:
True, this isn't the fan-fic forums. However, need I remind you that I don't require you to explain this to me until such time as you suddenly become the "Future Of Trek" moderator. Please and thank you. Have a nice day.
Not a ship of holograms but perhaps a tentative / experimental "TV movie-of-the-week" that tries to tell the story of an "Alpha Quadrant Alliance" expedition (led by the newly-repaired U.S.S. Enterprise-E, right before the return of the U.S.S. Titan from the Small Magellanic Cloud) sent through the wormhole at DS9, attempting to meet the delegates of the D.Q. half-way.
Could the holographic (former) hirogen 'prey' be an interesting "morality play" / "villain", or otherwise set-up point-of-friction/conflict? Something that makes interesting though inconvenient ripples in the Federation's plans at this point to return to Starfleet's original purpose of "seeking out new life, new civilizations" and plays into Q's initial statement during 'Farpoint' that "you don't belong out here."
One possible "DS9" movie or spin-off idea that bridges it with TNG and VOY.
You can go any number of directions with this idea. Internet or television series (animated or live action "canon" by Paramount Viacom,) Fan production, fan fic, or whatever.
Plus, I like the fact that Rob Scorpio tries to toss out some pretty random ideas & bounces quite a few off me, just to see which ones just might stick. That's what being a hobby-writer is all about. Trial & error. Fun. Passion for the genre.
Rob Scorpio: Please don't stop. Don't let Blaxxer or anyone else discourage you. I'd love to see a lot of your ideas at my own online anthology "Star Trek: New Worlds" or perhaps even Pocket Books own "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 11".
True, this isn't the fan-fic forums. However, need I remind you that I don't require you to explain this to me until such time as you suddenly become the "Future Of Trek" moderator. Please and thank you. Have a nice day.
Not a ship of holograms but perhaps a tentative / experimental "TV movie-of-the-week" that tries to tell the story of an "Alpha Quadrant Alliance" expedition (led by the newly-repaired U.S.S. Enterprise-E, right before the return of the U.S.S. Titan from the Small Magellanic Cloud) sent through the wormhole at DS9, attempting to meet the delegates of the D.Q. half-way.
Could the holographic (former) hirogen 'prey' be an interesting "morality play" / "villain", or otherwise set-up point-of-friction/conflict? Something that makes interesting though inconvenient ripples in the Federation's plans at this point to return to Starfleet's original purpose of "seeking out new life, new civilizations" and plays into Q's initial statement during 'Farpoint' that "you don't belong out here."
One possible "DS9" movie or spin-off idea that bridges it with TNG and VOY.
You can go any number of directions with this idea. Internet or television series (animated or live action "canon" by Paramount Viacom,) Fan production, fan fic, or whatever.
Plus, I like the fact that Rob Scorpio tries to toss out some pretty random ideas & bounces quite a few off me, just to see which ones just might stick. That's what being a hobby-writer is all about. Trial & error. Fun. Passion for the genre.
Rob Scorpio: Please don't stop. Don't let Blaxxer or anyone else discourage you. I'd love to see a lot of your ideas at my own online anthology "Star Trek: New Worlds" or perhaps even Pocket Books own "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 11".
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RobertScorpio
Pariah
Okay..I have thought this out a little...how about this (and yes I know it sounds like 24, but oh well)
A hologram, the kind that can walk around like Voyager Doctor, or heck, maybe even him, activates his program and finds himself holding a bloodied knife over an important official/person of somekind. The rest of the show is his trying to stay ahead of those who are trying to capture him, while also making sure the technology that allows him to exist outside the hollodeck doesn't malfunction and erase his program...
The paranoia a hologram would feel would, I think, be interesting. Because the 'real' people would have no problem deactivating him in a second...so will anyone really go out of their way to help a person who doesn't really exist???
I like it!!!...Yes, not the typical Trek story, but I think it would have much irony to it and much intrigue (something later Treks lacked)
Rob
Scorpio
(ahem..and this isn't a new thread by the way)
A hologram, the kind that can walk around like Voyager Doctor, or heck, maybe even him, activates his program and finds himself holding a bloodied knife over an important official/person of somekind. The rest of the show is his trying to stay ahead of those who are trying to capture him, while also making sure the technology that allows him to exist outside the hollodeck doesn't malfunction and erase his program...
The paranoia a hologram would feel would, I think, be interesting. Because the 'real' people would have no problem deactivating him in a second...so will anyone really go out of their way to help a person who doesn't really exist???
I like it!!!...Yes, not the typical Trek story, but I think it would have much irony to it and much intrigue (something later Treks lacked)
Rob
Scorpio
(ahem..and this isn't a new thread by the way)
The writers never did get to heart of the struggle of the wannabee humans. Pinnochio became a real boy but these others didn't. It would at least be good to explore that.
Chuckling
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Yep, it is message a board. And if you spent as much time as coming up with your own ideas instead of bashing mine, then you may have come up with some good ideas..
So, again, wow me...show me one of your ideas that is so new that it doesn't borrow from other ideas (as mine did) or isn't just a simple retread (which none of mine are)...
So again..I have just pitched you a softball...please, turn on it, and crank it...if ....you....can.
Rob
Scorpio
Here's my idea, Rob: go back to basics. Go back to what worked, to what made Star Trek special in the first place. Have a ship crewed with a cohesive group of intelligent, mature, yet flawed humans (and a few aliens, too). Tell stories that actually mean something. Use the show to comment on the problems of today, or on the human condition in general, yet don't be afraid to have fun or just tell a straight-up adventure story.
You think everything that made Trek what it was is passé, and the only way we can make it relevant to today is to try and throw it in the blender with everything else that's on TV today. Star Trek wasn't like anything else on TV at the time, not even that other outer-space show. It was good on its own, not because it grabbed onto the coattails of the lawyer genre, or the forensics crime procedural genre, or professional wrestling.
I'm sure you'll accuse me of not putting forward an original idea, that I just want to rehash the old "crew on a ship" formula. I really don't give a flying rat's ass what you think of my post. By all means, keep cranking out your new pseudo-Treks. Like the proverbial thousand monkeys in front of a thousand typewriters, I'm sure you'll eventually hit upon something that has the same potential for greatness as the original series.
You think everything that made Trek what it was is passé, and the only way we can make it relevant to today is to try and throw it in the blender with everything else that's on TV today. Star Trek wasn't like anything else on TV at the time, not even that other outer-space show. It was good on its own, not because it grabbed onto the coattails of the lawyer genre, or the forensics crime procedural genre, or professional wrestling.
I'm sure you'll accuse me of not putting forward an original idea, that I just want to rehash the old "crew on a ship" formula. I really don't give a flying rat's ass what you think of my post. By all means, keep cranking out your new pseudo-Treks. Like the proverbial thousand monkeys in front of a thousand typewriters, I'm sure you'll eventually hit upon something that has the same potential for greatness as the original series.
Uh, no.
Abrams is going back to basics. If anything will revive interest in Trek, his movie will. If it doesn't, all the talk about TV shows is just debating some niche genre programming.
Well, it isn't.
You've been asked before not to get self-promotional outside of Websites.
I don't consider this single post that big a deal, but consider this a caution.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Nope, not to worry mr. biggles. This forum, as advertised, is about the future of trek. I have only suggested where I think the show needs to go in the future to garner ratings. I believe everyone of them, from WWF trek to Holocrew, to Star Trek Boston Legal would have been more successful than Enteprise.
But since all you can do, and Blaxxer as well, is attack my ideas with out providing your own, then why should I even bother? So you two can now post threads about whatever you will discuss in this so called FUTURE OF TREK forum...But not me. You two are obviously living in the PAST, and hey, that's cool too.
Rob
scorpio
Certainly if you can't stand having your ideas critiqued it's not a good idea to bother. I can't imagine why you'd want people to tell you that your proposals are clever or interesting when they think otherwise.
If no one were permitted to criticize what others create without first presenting their own work, there would be no such thing as "Star Trek" forums on the Internet.
I gave you my idea: return to basics. Obviously you don't like it any better than I've liked your numerous exercises in mental masturbation, so I guess we'll call it a draw.
That would give the audience something to relate to. Maybe in the opening episode the hologram crew find a sleeper ship and revive a survivor? At first, the survivor don't know everyone else is some sort of AI but gradually learn more and more. Maybe one or more of the holohgram personalities is derived from the survivor?
It would need very careful writing to make it appeal to non-hardcore SF fans, though.
I strongly suspect that the next Trek series will have a premise that can be stated in a couple of sentences, without detailed knowledge of preceeding Treks.
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It's like in The Player: "Tell me about your movie in 25 words or less." Simplistic? Perhaps. But the simplicity of TOS and TNG is what makes them so attractive as series, and so accessible even 40+ years later. If you need to write an essay to tell me the basic premise of your show, then you will most likely lose Joe Public, and it's the viewership of Joe Public (not Joe Trekker) that gives TV shows and movies longevity.
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