A hollow pipe??

[RobertScorpio]

How about future Star Trek show with a crew totally comprised of Holograms...maybe the Federation has decided that Daystrom was right. Why subject mankind to the dangers of deep space. Why not a crew of totally 'aware' holograms. Each programed with its own personality who report to a 'human' Admiral. Could be an interesting idea (and more 'crafted' for the established fanbase). Meaning, from me, a more normal idea.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[blaXXer]

Normal? Howzabout explring the human condition? How about being able to relate to the characters?

I'd love to see you trying to relate to the problems of a hologram. Think more like a producer, man...

 

[RobertScorpio]

Normal? Howzabout explring the human condition? How about being able to relate to the characters?

I'd love to see you trying to relate to the problems of a hologram. Think more like a producer, man...

Actually, they have. The episode with the Doctors family was probably one of the best character episodes Voyager did, not to mention Vic Fontain had a few good episodes too...oh..and did you ever see Message in A Bottle??? Or Elementary My Dear Data? Or the one where the Voyager doctor pretends to be the captain (another great Voyager episode)

Its all in the writing my dear Blaxxer. Or hadn't you noticed. And we all seemed to care about an android named Data, surely he wasn't human...Spock (half) either...nor Odo...or Worf...or Dax..or..or..or...or...The human condition is explored WITH these characters.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Jack Bauer]

I'm more interested in people not holograms who act just like people. I mean if they're so like us what's the point?

 

[RobertScorpio]

I'm more interested in people not holograms who act just like people. I mean if they're so like us what's the point?

Because I think they did a far better job writing the doctor than just about every 'real' character on that show..with the exception of Seven who came on midway through the show...and by, the way, was brought on because of her big TITS...yes..BIG TITS...that is why she was on that show..SEX SEX SEX SEX..TITS TITS TITS..and if you think she was casted that way, and walked around that show with a suit that accented her TITS because they were trying to write highbrow scifi then I have a bridge in New Jersey to sell you...they brought her on for her...yep..TITS

And, like I said? Data was a great character, and he wasn't 'real' either, just an android.

but most of all? Because they haven't done it yet. Do you want another show about seven humans in space with one outsider? you may..but the rest of humanity has said 'enough already..it's getting old"...

And...they are right.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Jack Bauer]

I doubt most viewers would like to watch a show about artificial life forms. At most it would just appeal to hard core Trekkies and probably a minority of them.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I doubt most viewers would like to watch a show about artificial life forms. At most it would just appeal to hard core Trekkies and probably a minority of them.

Well, they weren't really watching a show about real people either. So whats your point? Care to give me a formula that will bring in new viewers that doesn't borrow from other ideas (which mine did) or changes the formula (all holo crew)...Step up...batter up..take a swing. Give me your pitch. Put your producer hat on and wow me...

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Jack Bauer]

I don't think there is a good formula other than making the show about interesting characters and engaging plots. A new Trek show probably needs to be more character based than previous Treks. Set up engaging mysteries that will slowly reveal the answers over the course of the series.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I don't think there is a good formula other than making the show about interesting characters and engaging plots. A new Trek show probably needs to be more character based than previous Treks. Set up engaging mysteries that will slowly reveal the answers over the course of the series.

You know what Mr. Bauer? or should I call you Frank? I actually agree. I guess you could argue that if they did their standard crew in space story, but with good writers, they could pull it off. But it would have to be very different than what has come before.

Stories that are allegories to real life have been done to death. And yet, Star Trek should always have something to say..it would be a very tough task to accomplish both...a crew, in space, facing new ideas.

But if the generic stories start popping up (living plasma clouds--God like beings toying with crew--crew goes crazy, gets horny, and reveal who they are--ect ect ect...it will go down hill fast..

But, I do agree with you in the most important way..character character character..

Rob
Scorpio

 

[blaXXer]

I'm more interested in people not holograms who act just like people. I mean if they're so like us what's the point?

Because I think they did a far better job writing the doctor than just about every 'real' character on that show..with the exception of Seven who came on midway through the show...and by, the way, was brought on because of her big TITS...yes..BIG TITS...that is why she was on that show..SEX SEX SEX SEX..TITS TITS TITS..and if you think she was casted that way, and walked around that show with a suit that accented her TITS because they were trying to write highbrow scifi then I have a bridge in New Jersey to sell you...they brought her on for her...yep..TITS

And, like I said? Data was a great character, and he wasn't 'real' either, just an android.

but most of all? Because they haven't done it yet. Do you want another show about seven humans in space with one outsider? you may..but the rest of humanity has said 'enough already..it's getting old"...

And...they are right.

Rob
Scorpio

Well at least these were real people as opposed to simulations of real people. If we have a show about holograms, why not about normal characters? Why does it have to be holograms, what makes them so special?

and, if it were in the writing, why not superbly write normal characters? (normal in a trek-sense of course - sentien holograms weren't the norm).

TBH, this is just another 'shtick' without any real ideas, a one-trick-pony, so to speak...

 

[hellsgate]

Hmmmmmmm.....

An interesting idea....BUT....I'm thinking it would work as a b-plot idea set approximately 20~25 years after Nemesis. A Federation starship encounters the Hirogen's former holographic slaves en-route to a pivotal "official" First Contact with Voyager's allies in the Delta Quadrant, a contingent of delegates from Talax, The Briori, and The Voth, among others.

Everyone is involved. The Vulcans, Terrans, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, Bajor and others at this diplomatic summit to decide everyone's next few moves over the next half-century, exchange technologies such as the warp catapult, Reg Barclay's long range communications improvements to MIDAS @ "Project: Voyager", trade their star charts, and to apologize for the antimatter incident related to Friendship One, among a list of other grievances/concerns.

 

[Wonderlust King]

Yeah that will sure bring in new fans.

A crew of emotion less binary programs.

The whole vulcan/android/hologram thing is only interesting when there are actual people around for them to emulate and become more alike. A crew full of them would bore me to tears.

 

[blaXXer]

Hmmmmmmm.....

An interesting idea....BUT....I'm thinking it would work as a b-plot idea set approximately 20~25 years after Nemesis. A Federation starship encounters the Hirogen's former holographic slaves en-route to a pivotal "official" First Contact with Voyager's allies in the Delta Quadrant, a contingent of delegates from Talax, The Briori, and The Voth, among others.

Everyone is involved. The Vulcans, Terrans, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, Bajor and others at this diplomatic summit to decide everyone's next few moves over the next half-century, exchange technologies such as the warp catapult, Reg Barclay's long range communications improvements to MIDAS @ "Project: Voyager", trade their star charts, and to apologize for the antimatter incident related to Friendship One, among a list of other grievances/concerns.

This isnt the fanfic-forums.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Rob, you're missing the point. The point of the "outsider" character is that they allow the writers to make observations about our human heroes. An entire show of nothing but "outsiders" — your idea of a ship full of holograms, or other ideas that have been suggested involving the Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans — would defeat the point. Trek was conceived at least in part to use the sci-fi/adventure format to comment on the human condition. How exactly does a ship full of aliens or androids or holograms accomplish that?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This is a particularly crummy idea, one of the worst for Trek I've seen on the Internet - it adds absolutely nothing to "Star Trek," but it does take away from its connection to humanity and to reality in any sense. Mostly it's built around a "difference that makes no difference" except to distract and annoy a lot of potential viewers.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Would this mean the whole cast would have to sing showtunes? I don't know if I could deal with that.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Rob, you're missing the point. The point of the "outsider" character is that they allow the writers to make observations about our human heroes. An entire show of nothing but "outsiders" — your idea of a ship full of holograms, or other ideas that have been suggested involving the Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans — would defeat the point. Trek was conceived at least in part to use the sci-fi/adventure format to comment on the human condition. How exactly does a ship full of aliens or androids or holograms accomplish that?

First off, hats off to mr. korman...funny funny guy...

As to your question? Generally I would agree. But it all really comes down to the writing. I'm not sure about you, but the best episode about how to raise our children was one that involved Data, and Lal.

The best episode about a family, with the biggest tear jerker moment, was the one with the Voyager doctor.

Why not invert the formula? How about a crew of holograms with ONE human acting as the outside..

All I am saying is this, and the ratings have shown this to be true. The simple TREK formula of throwing a crew in space, going planet to planet to see various human messages (about abortion-drugs-euthenasia-parenting) being delt with just isn't, and hasn't been working. Why? If you were to watch every episode of TREK, back to back, and the movies too, 24 hours aday, it would take over 6 weeks, 6 weeks, to see it all...the message is clear...enough already. Show us something else other than 6 humans and an outsider...

I have tried to come up with various ideas, but at least I am trying. The fact that TREK law show offends some of you, or a Trek CSI does as well, is to me, a good start.

But I tell you this...if David E Kelly did a legal version of Trek it would get far better ratings than Enterprise and Voyager. It would probably scare off regular viewers of trek, which is a good thing, but bring in a new group willing to see difficult legal issues of our day but done in the Star Trek way...

I guess we just disagree what the future Trek should be. And that is cool. Thats what this site is all about. I actually agreed with someone earlier that a crew is space could work if done in an entirely new way. But it would really have to wow me (and TV producers) to really get a green light.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[blaXXer]

Again, it isn't about the formula. It works. It's the writing that needs to become better, or, at least be on par with the supposed message.

Rob, it is always the same problem: You're tossing out half-cooked ideas with some shtick, claiming that 'the formula' doesn't work. But, the forumla does work, maybe because of it's simplicity - it's the execution that needs to be changed. Not some Trek in a blender or some show-of-the-week with a Trek-backdrop.

Ans, fyi - tossing out ideas by the dozen will not accomplisch anything.

 

[Crewman47]

A series with a ship "manned" by a Holographic crew? I like the idea but your ship would only need around 20 or 30 to operate, maybe 50 tops, (even on a ship like a Galaxy) as they would never eat, sleep or get tired. You wouldn't need a medical bay as none of them would ever get sick and if anyone would happen to get "killed" then all you'd have to do is go into the crew database and "resurrect" them so to speak. I think it would get boring very quickly although as I said I like the idea, maybe as a fanfic but not as a series.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Rob, it is always the same problem: You're tossing out half-cooked ideas with some shtick, claiming that 'the formula' doesn't work.

Exactly. A series is not its premise, and even so these are not strong or intriguing premises - "law show," "holodeck show" etc are one-liners that sound "high concept" but are pretty hollow tubes themselves.