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A good starting place for Trek literature?

But my broader point is that it seems like a pretty weird hill to die on.

If the question is whether they're important to later continuity, I find it weird to suggest that A Time to Kill/Heal and A Time for War, a Time for Peace are not an integral part of it. They're the beginning of the whole Federation government arc that extends throughout the novels for years to follow.
 
Hmm. I liked the A Time To... series. :shrug:

Just to be contrary I still say start with The Genesis Wave :nyah:

If you're going to go in, just go in all the way, start from the beginning and just do it all. Inevitably when you're talking about 20+ years of books you're going to run into the occasional dud. But by and large I think most of them were pretty good.

And for how little we Trekkies usually agree on anything what one person says is a lousy story someone else will love. And vice versa.
 
If the question is whether they're important to later continuity, I find it weird to suggest that A Time to Kill/Heal and A Time for War, a Time for Peace are not an integral part of it. They're the beginning of the whole Federation government arc that extends throughout the novels for years to follow.
I never said they were unimportant.
 
Hmm. I liked the A Time To... series. :shrug:

Just to be contrary I still say start with The Genesis Wave :nyah:

If you're going to go in, just go in all the way, start from the beginning and just do it all. Inevitably when you're talking about 20+ years of books you're going to run into the occasional dud. But by and large I think most of them were pretty good.

And for how little we Trekkies usually agree on anything what one person says is a lousy story someone else will love. And vice versa.

I disagree slightly and say to go back one book because that one book starts the SCE/COE series. Otherwise, we mostly agree.
 
One should definitely read a somewhat mediocre nine book series because 75 books later there's a payoff for it.
I'll disagree. Overall, as a whole, the series is good. It in no way is mediocre. I'm sorry you think that something good is not good.
 
I'd start with the movie novelisations first, to be honest, just to see if you're going to enjoy reading what you've previously watched. The TNG novelisations also added a few bits and pieces to what was on the screen.
 
I'd start with the movie novelisations first, to be honest, just to see if you're going to enjoy reading what you've previously watched. The TNG novelisations also added a few bits and pieces to what was on the screen.

It's not the same reading what you've already seen (with some bit added here and there) vs. reading a completely new story.
 
My two cents.

I've been watching Star Trek since the early 90's, and I knew that there were relaunch novel series out there and always wanted to get into reading them eventually, but I ignored them for a long time. I started reading in 2015. I basically wanted to follow the 24th century relaunches, starting with DS9, but I also wanted to have whatever background information that I need for those. When looking at the list, I realized that there was this Gateways crossover early in and that includes New Frontier. So, I ended up starting with New Frontier (1997). (I also read New Earth for that crossover but after finishing it, I think that one along with its Gateways novel could be skipped without missing anything from the connected story.) I also read some of the earlier DS9 relaunch stuff like The Lives of Dax, A Stitch in Time, and The Left Hand of Destiny before getting into the story proper with Avatar.

I used this chart and site (two links there, doesn't appear to be obvious with the coloring) to sort of get a feel for how everything is connected without spoiling anything for myself. I made myself a reading list (over 300 titles in all), sort of ordered by release date, but with some exceptions when I wanted to fill in a story that seemed to be a prerequisite for another story (chronologically) but wasn't released in the same sequence. I'm skipping many earlier books that seemed to have no significance to the connected story (i.e. they don't show up in the chart or dark blue on the LitVerse list site).

Six years and 83 books in, I am really enjoying it — I'm pacing myself and I love having a basically a very long stream of content to get through, I think that it could keep me busy for 20 years yet. I'm still sort of in the period between the end of DS9 and the end of Voyager. I've read a number of TNG novels from this era. I have also been reading SCE. I'm about to start the first IKS Gorkon book. I haven't started Stargazer or The Lost Era yet but I am planning to read those in the next few years as well.

(I also read the new stuff like Discovery / Picard as it is released... Sort of treating that as separate, though I hope that the "modern" shows develop their own sort of novelverse continuity as they mature and maybe after a few of them go off the air :-P.)
 
IKS Gorkon

Don't forget to read the numbered TNG novel, Diplomatic Implausibility along with the Brave and the Bold duology (the 2nd book is a Gorkon story, though the entire duology is a connected story). They start the Gorkon saga before you get into the 4 actual Gorkon novels (the 4th carries the Klingon Empire banner).

I just finished reading the Gorkon novels and they are a great series. I had put them off because I sometimes feel Klingons are a bit oversaturated in Star Trek. But I'm glad I decided to read those. KRAD does a great job depicting the Klingon Empire, from the Klingon point of view :)

Stargazer or The Lost Era

Those are all pretty good as well. The novel Valiant basically starts the Stargazer series, which carries the TNG banner. In one of the Stargazer novels you get to see how Picard and Guinan meet in the present. She obviously already knows him from "Time's Arrow" but from his perspective this will be his first time meeting her. Also don't forget to read TNG novel The Buried Age, which starts with the destruction of the Stargazer (and is in the same universe as the Stargazer series) and is considered a Lost Era story, even though it doesn't carry the actual Lost Era banner (it does say something about it being a Lost Era story though). And the Terok Nor trilogy was excellent, depicting the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor, and is tied to the Lost Era in a similar manner (it has it's own banner but is still considered a Lost Era story).

It's possible you already know all this, but just in case I figured it'd be helpful to throw those out there just so you don't miss some great books ;)
 
Don't forget to read the numbered TNG novel, Diplomatic Implausibility along with the Brave and the Bold duology (the 2nd book is a Gorkon story, though the entire duology is a connected story). They start the Gorkon saga before you get into the 4 actual Gorkon novels (the 4th carries the Klingon Empire banner).
Yes, thanks for the tip and I have read those already :-)
 
It's possible you already know all this, but just in case I figured it'd be helpful to throw those out there just so you don't miss some great books ;)
Sorry for the double-post (it does not appear to be possible to edit?). I have these books on my list as well but I have not gotten to them yet. I'm planning to read the Stargazer series chronologically, with The Valiant first, then the main six, followed by The Buried Age. I have read Reunion though, which is another (older) TNG/Stargazer connected story, and I've also read The First Virtue (when going through the Double Helix series which seems necessary for New Frontier).
 
Yes, thanks for the tip and I have read those already :-)

Ok, that's good. I didn't realize Diplomatic Implausibility was the "first" Gorkon novel when I read it, and it was only happenstance that I read it before the actual Gorkon novels. I'm not positive but I think it was the popularity of that novel that gave them the idea to do the Gorkon series. At first I skipped those novels when they came out, but I'm glad I circled back to them.

Sorry for the double-post (it does not appear to be possible to edit?)

That's a little quirk that goes along with the "Newbie" tag. After a couple of posts that will drop off then you'll have the ability to edit prior posts.

I've also read The First Virtue (when going through the Double Helix series which seems necessary for New Frontier).

I almost forgot about that one. There is also a NF book in the Gateways series. I loved the first several NF books. They sort of dropped off for me after the first several books. I heard Peter David had an outline for his first NF books and they were all great reads. It seems that the books that came after that weren't as good, though they were still decent. There are 2 major events that occur during NF's runs (I won't spoil them for you but you'll know what they are when you get to them). It seemed after the first there was a bit of a drop off, then another after the 2nd. But I'd still recommend reading those, perhaps your opinion will differ after all. ;)

I'm planning to read the Stargazer series chronologically, with The Valiant first, then the main six, followed by The Buried Age. I have read Reunion though, which is another (older) TNG/Stargazer connected story,

Oh yeah, almost forgot about Reunion. IIRC that was released before Valiant, but however they came out I also read Reunion first, years ago. Michael Jan Friedman wrote both along with the Stargazer books and he uses all the same characters. If you start with Valiant you'll have a nice, continuous story from there to the rest of the Stargazer series. The Buried Age is written by Christopher Bennett. I believe it was in the acknowledgements where he basically noted that his book was intended to be in the same universe as the other Stargazer novels, though because his book was years past the last Stargazer book in-universe, you could probably read that anytime. But if you're reading them all anyway might as well read them in-universe chronological order.

IIRC the last Stargazer book took place in and around 2333 while The Buried Age was over a decade later, I forget the exact year but there is large gap between the two. I mean, it does seem Friedman completed what he wanted to do with the Stargazer series, but I thought it was always a shame that series was not continued. Jack Crusher had not come aboard the Stargazer yet in those earlier books and by The Buried Age he had already died some time before that. So other than a little bit here and there, we really don't see their friendship in the novels.

I kind of hope with the Picard show on the air now that maybe there will be renewed interest in the Stargazer book series, since that depicts an important part of Picard's backstory. Friedman doesn't seem to be writing Star Trek books anymore these days, but Christopher's book was really good so I think he'd be a good pick ;) (assuming that would interest him of course). Though, honestly, I'm sure any of our resident writers could probably do a good job. I'm not holding my breath, of course, but it'd be nice to see. Other than the doctor in one of the episodes I don't think anything in the show conflicted with the existing books up to this point (and the doctor we see could be easily explained so that's not a big deal to me).
 
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Speaking of the Stargazer doctor, it was kind of a shame they didn't use the Dr. Greyhorse character in Picard. It would have been nice to see a Native American CMO in the show (though IIRC Greyhorse had passed away in the novel universe).
 
The Buried Age is written by Christopher Bennett. I believe it was in the acknowledgements were he basically noted that his book was more or less intended to be in the same universe as the other Stargazer novels, though because his book was years past the last Stargazer book in-universe, you could probably read that anytime.

Not specifically the novel series titled Star Trek: Stargazer, but just the general Stargazer crew that Mike Friedman introduced in the first TNG hardcover Reunion and that ended up being consistently used in all subsequent Stargazer-focused novels and comics, even well before that novel series began.


IIRC the last Stargazer book took place in and around 2233 while The Buried Age was over a decade later, I forget the exact year but there is large gap between the two.

Over two decades, in fact. Picard served on the Stargazer for 22 years, and the novel series covers only the first six months of that period, while The Buried Age begins at its ending.
 
Over two decades, in fact. Picard served on the Stargazer for 22 years, and the novel series covers only the first six months of that period, while The Buried Age begins at its ending.

Wow, so even more than I thought. I guess I should have realized that since The Buried Age would be in the 2350s, not 2340's (I just realized I should have said 2333, not 2233...duh, I'll have to fix that).

It was nice to see Picard's beginnings as Captain. It'd be interesting to see him develop as a character as he continues to gain experience as Captain. I still remember that one Admiral that was trying to sabotage his captaincy before it started. What a creep :thumbdown:).

It's hard to believe just how old Admiral Picard is by the time Picard starts. Even at the start of TNG he is already what, around 50 to 60 years old. Not saying that's old at that time, but he already has a lot of experience under his belt by even that point (another way, I suppose TNG differentiated itself from the original series, since Kirk was much younger at the start there).

In any event, there is potential to explore more of Picard's early history with more Stargazer novels. They could still loosely be called a Picard prequel. Though, as I noted, I'm not holding my breath for the moment. It doesn't seem they want to go that far back right now.
 
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