"A Good Man Goes To War" Prequel & Trailer

[23skidoo]

I see the BBC's reverted back to geolocking the promo videos

Steven Moffat: "Who fans abroad - the prequel is region-locked cos you haven't seen ep 6 yet!"

That sneaky bastard!

Too bad it couldn't apply everywhere else then. The main reason I didn't wait was because I knew it would have been impossible to avoid the spoilers without completely avoiding all the sites and chatrooms. I'll be interested to find if anyone manages to successfully avoid them this week.

And never assume the obvious with Moffat, he's a master of misdirection.

No he isn't. Look how many people had worked out that Amy would be a Ganger well in advance.

That still doesn't mean anything. Everyone assumed the "jacket scene" in last year's Angels episode was a continuity flub. And she wasn't a Ganger - the episode makes it crystal clear that she is something different. (Listen to the dialogue in the final few scenes again and compare with the facts the two episodes hammered into our heads.)

Back to the trailer. I wonder who says "You have never risen higher?" I recognize that voice, but I can't place who it is.

Alex

 

[YellowSubmarine]

And never assume the obvious with Moffat, he's a master of misdirection.

No he isn't. Look how many people had worked out that Amy would be a Ganger well in advance.

Misdirection doesn't mean making the real developments impossible to imagine (that's called "lack of realism"), it's throwing more details that suggest alternative developments and not knowing which one is true.

 

[Samurai8472]

I see the BBC's reverted back to geolocking the promo videos

Steven Moffat: "Who fans abroad - the prequel is region-locked cos you haven't seen ep 6 yet!"

That sneaky bastard!

Too bad it couldn't apply everywhere else then. The main reason I didn't wait was because I knew it would have been impossible to avoid the spoilers without completely avoiding all the sites and chatrooms. I'll be interested to find if anyone manages to successfully avoid them this week.

We are "Fan Victorious"! and we're going to break the region lock! To youtube!!


Get it? Region locked? Time Locked?

 

[hammerhead]

Bit random but I watched the end of Eleventh Hour again on YouTube when all the aliens and all the previous Doctors are shown and at the end if the alien sequence is the Impossible Astronaut!! Looks like the Moff had been planning this stuff for ages....

 

[Sci]

Bit random but I watched the end of Eleventh Hour again on YouTube when all the aliens and all the previous Doctors are shown and at the end if the alien sequence is the Impossible Astronaut!!

No, that was a picture of one of the space-suited corpses left by the Vashta Nerada in "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead."

 

[DAK]

And never assume the obvious with Moffat, he's a master of misdirection.

No he isn't. Look how many people had worked out that Amy would be a Ganger well in advance.

Not many that I saw.

There are a few reasons why I don't think River could be Amy's child. Her relationship with the Doctor, for instance - he would never enter into a romantic relationship with Amy's and Rory's child. And if he did they'd both kick his butt. Also stuff Octavian said - if the Doctor knew who she was he wouldn't help them; that he shouldn't trust her; he doesn't know who and what she is - if River was Amy's child, why wouldn't the Doctor trust her or want to help her? Moffat's also hinted there might be something more sinister to River - perhaps she is, or was, a participant in the Silents' breeding experiments. So yeah, I think the "obvious" clues that point to River being Amy's child are distracting us from the truth about who she really is.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Why would he not enter into a relationship with Amy and Rory's child if that is who River is? You stated this but didn't explain why except to say that Amy and Rory would kick his butt? They don't know who River is any more than the Doctor does at this point. Amy and Rory both trust the Doctor at this point besides. That line of reasoning doesn't make sense to me. What would the two of them care if he had a relationship with an older version of their kid?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Her relationship with the Doctor, for instance - he would never enter into a romantic relationship with Amy's and Rory's child.

You're basing that assertion on... what, exactly?

Moffat's also hinted there might be something more sinister to River

Moffat has also said that River's story isn't complicated and some will find it obvious.

What's interesting to me is that the "sinister" aspect to River doesn't arise until "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone," and then it's never referred to again. There's nothing sinister to the River of "Silence in the Library" or "The Impossible Astronaut"; all of her mysteriousness there makes perfect sense in a male/female dynamic kind of way, she's being mysterious and cryptic to keep the Doctor interested.

perhaps she is, or was, a participant in the Silents' breeding experiments.

I've seen that theory thrown around on Gallifrey Base the last two days. I won't dismiss it, but Moffat hasn't planted those seeds yet in a way that makes that the obvious solution.

 

[PorthosShadow]

Moffat has also said that River's story isn't complicated and some will find it obvious.

While I want to believe him, part of me thinks it's a way of softening the blow in case the resolution to her arc isn't that interesting.

 

[Kitty Worrier]

What's interesting to me is that the "sinister" aspect to River doesn't arise until "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone," and then it's never referred to again. There's nothing sinister to the River of "Silence in the Library" or "The Impossible Astronaut"; all of her mysteriousness there makes perfect sense in a male/female dynamic kind of way, she's being mysterious and cryptic to keep the Doctor interested.

maybe the cleric thought she was bad, because of what she did. That does not mean the Doctor will think of her like the cleric does.

 

[Admiral_Young]

All we know is that River committed a crime and was being punished for it (and escaped multiple times lol...the location where the storm cage is must be like the galactic equivalent of Arkham Aslyum). We don't know yet the why or the how of that crime. The Doctor has already stated that he doesn't trust her...but that doesn't mean that he doesn't respect her or trust her ability to get whatever they need to done, etc.

 

[DAK]

Her relationship with the Doctor, for instance - he would never enter into a romantic relationship with Amy's and Rory's child.

You're basing that assertion on... what, exactly?

Chill, it's merely my opinion. Would you have a relationship with a child that you've known since infancy of a couple that you're close friends with? It would be weird, even for the Doctor.

Moffat's also hinted there might be something more sinister to River

Moffat has also said that River's story isn't complicated and some will find it obvious.

What's interesting to me is that the "sinister" aspect to River doesn't arise until "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone," and then it's never referred to again. There's nothing sinister to the River of "Silence in the Library" or "The Impossible Astronaut"; all of her mysteriousness there makes perfect sense in a male/female dynamic kind of way, she's being mysterious and cryptic to keep the Doctor interested.

Moffat made the sinister comment on a confidential a long time ago. And the sinister part would be well in her past, which would be the Doctor's future, and perhaps the reason she's in prison. She's being mysterious and cryptic because she's hiding something that he can't know about yet, not as a come-on. She's following his instructions that were given to her in her past (she said as much in the Library).

perhaps she is, or was, a participant in the Silents' breeding experiments.

I've seen that theory thrown around on Gallifrey Base the last two days. I won't dismiss it, but Moffat hasn't planted those seeds yet in a way that makes that the obvious solution.

I don't post there; it was just a speculation on my part, and I never said it was the obvious solution. There's a picture of River, Rory, and Amy standing over a cradle with Gallifreyan markings. In the trailer River said this was when the Doctor finds out who she is. Logically there may be some sort of connection between the events. It's as good a theory as any at this point. Isn't that what we're doing at this point, putting forth wild-assed theories?

 

[GabeHimself]

Moffat's entire run to date has been utter garbage.

I miss RTD.

 

[PorthosShadow]

Moffat's entire run to date has been utter garbage.

I miss RTD.

Please, could you go a little bit further with that brilliant thesis?

 

[RoJoHen]

I am way behind on my Doctor Who viewing. I was really disappointed (read: bored) by Season 5, "A Christmas Carol," and the first episode of Season 6...

But I really like the title of this episode.

 

[PorthosShadow]

I am way behind on my Doctor Who viewing. I was really disappointed (read: bored) by Season 5, "A Christmas Carol," and the first episode of Season 6...

But I really like the title of this episode.

I was disappointed with "A Christmas Carol" because in my mind I was really hoping to see past Doctors show up like in the story.

 

[JoeZhang]

Since the Doctor has already visited her prison at least one, why doesn't he just ask someone what she did?

Anyway, whatever she does can't be that bad, because in her own timeline, the last time they meet before she dies, she doesn't seem to expect him to hate her and the 1100 year old doctor seems happy enough.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Since the Doctor has already visited her prison at least one, why doesn't he just ask someone what she did?

Spoilers.

 

[JoeZhang]

Since the Doctor has already visited her prison at least one, why doesn't he just ask someone what she did?

Spoilers.

But that doesn't work - she can't tell him things from his future, that doesn't stop him actually *acting* because how does he not know that he's suppose to find out that way?

 

[Australis]

I'm guessing that we will know exactly who River is by the end of the episode.

Well at this point it seems very obvious that Amy's baby is River. In fact, they have completely set it up for that to such a degree that it will be a huge surprise if she turns out to be anyone else.

I really don't think this will be the case.

I'd read that we have to wait until episode 8 to find out who River is. And never assume the obvious with Moffat, he's a master of misdirection. I for one will be very disappointed if River turns out to be Amy's baby.

I came across another theory recently which I find much more interesting...

Spoiler: another theory

The Silence are interested in genetic manipulation and breeding, and in the Doctor and Timelords in particular. The baby is Amy's and Rory's, and the fact that she time traveled while pregnant was of interest to them. The girl in the spacesuit is the Doctor's and River's; they did the same thing to River as they've done to Amy - kidnapped her and took the child, and made her forget.

I was coming in here exactly to post that possibility. I'd thought about it, when Rory and River broke into the proto TARDIS, something happened, but we don't know what.

<sigh> How long do we have to wait to find out?