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"A Good Man Goes To War" Prequel & Trailer

^ What is the matter with overlapping story arcs/plot points? Just because it's not resolved in a single episode, or two or three, doesn't mean that it won't be eventually. These twists and "uninteresting storylines" as you put it are meant to keep us watching. It's unfortunate that you don't like them or think very much of them.

I'm guessing he hated "Lost" with a passion because it dared to ask the audience to go along for a ride and be patient. I've written it before but I like long story arcs which questions that have no quick answers. And sure, is it possible some of the answers may be disappointing, absolutely but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Because honestly, I would rather a TV show took a chance by treating me (the view) like I have a brain instead of the other way around.

I don't think much of Lost because the show had no plan but to be vague and create mysteries for the sake of being vague and creating mysteries. There was no deeper story going on there, it was just one red herring after another and that's a terrible recipe for storytelling.

I'm re-watching "Lost" from the beginning and it amazes me how many of the questions and little tid-bits were paid off. Sure, not every single question was answered but they didn't need to be. "Doctor Who" is the same thing, it's been asking questions, answering some and asking new ones. Like "Lost" it's not all going to be resolved but most of it will. I get the feeling you don't have the attention span for something like "Lost" or Steven Moffat's era.

Finally, I don't understand what the point is in hating a show to the point where you think it's been "garbage" but still sticking around. Obviously it's up to you to keep watching the show but are you seriously going to post how much you hate it week after week?
 
Finally, I don't understand what the point is in hating a show to the point where you think it's been "garbage" but still sticking around. Obviously it's up to you to keep watching the show but are you seriously going to post how much you hate it week after week?

I don't hate the show, I hate the scripts. To hate the show would imply I dislike everthing, or most things. I don't.

I simply dislike the direction Moffat is taking the show this season, next season and took it last season. I gave it a year and a half before I voiced anything. But DW's mark on pop culture seems to have diminished since RTD's departure and I don't blame Matt Smith (who is FANTASTIC) on it one bit. I blame the showrunner.
 
Of course I'm focusing on the wrong.:rolleyes:

You said I take issue with season long arcs. I said no, I take issue with arcs that are uninteresting or dragged out.

So yes, you focused on the wrong and instead of arguing the substance of my clarification of your earlier point you're rolling your eyes at me. Why? To what purpose?

No seriously, why? You added nothing to the debate except trying to derail it. Answer the substance of my argument, try it.

Oh but :rolleyes: is easier isn't it?
 
Okay. You state that you've a problem with arcs that are dragged out and to you are uninteresting. That's fine. I believe that in this particular case these storylines are vague on purpose and will be resolved at the proper time. There is as you rightly pointed the chance that some audience members will get bored with them and disgruntled. That's cool too. I'm willing to stick around to see the pay off though.
 
^ What is the matter with overlapping story arcs/plot points? Just because it's not resolved in a single episode, or two or three, doesn't mean that it won't be eventually. These twists and "uninteresting storylines" as you put it are meant to keep us watching. It's unfortunate that you don't like them or think very much of them.

I'm guessing he hated "Lost" with a passion because it dared to ask the audience to go along for a ride and be patient. I've written it before but I like long story arcs which questions that have no quick answers. And sure, is it possible some of the answers may be disappointing, absolutely but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Because honestly, I would rather a TV show took a chance by treating me (the view) like I have a brain instead of the other way around.
You have inadvertently hit the nail on the head, as far as I'm concerned. I loved Lost when it started, qws going to buy the box sets, etc. Now I cannot face another ep in repeats, because all that time I invested in the various arcs and characters came, as far as I'm concerned, to naught.

And that is (to clarify for Dennis in case he's reading) something that is reducing my viewing pleasure - that fact that we might not get all the answers. The whole 'Amy doesn't know Daleks' thing to me, for example, just isn't resolved to my satisfaction. And there's a couple of others (eg, her parents) that have already gone by the wayside.

While I do like a complex and involving story, the ends MUST be tied up. Otherwise why bother?

That said, the Moff isn't doing a bad job, and the odd lines he throws in ("Breathe, Amy") suddenly make sense.
 
I simply dislike the direction Moffat is taking the show this season, next season and took it last season. I gave it a year and a half before I voiced anything. But DW's mark on pop culture seems to have diminished since RTD's departure and I don't blame Matt Smith (who is FANTASTIC) on it one bit. I blame the showrunner.

This has been my problem as well. I haven't seen any of this new season, but I had a really hard time with season 5 and the Cracks. Something about the storytelling just made me not give a shit. I really liked the characters and their interactions, and I liked the idea behind the story, but I just did not like the way Moffat chose to tell it. Nearly every episode felt like it was just killing time until the end of the season when they could finally tell us what was going on. The mystery simply wasn't engaging.
 
What is Doctor Who supposed to be?
A fun show?

I found every episode of Series 5 fun save "The Hungry Earth"/"Cold Blood." So far this season I've found every episode save "The Curse of the Black Spot" fun. (I didn't enjoy the first half of "The Rebel Flesh," but once I watched the whole thing, I liked the rest.) I thought "A Christmas Carol" was the best, and most fun, Christmas special we've ever had.

I'm having fun. :)

One where characters behave true to their characterizations?

I can recall no scenes where this did not happen.

One where characters like us ground the story with a sense of reality?

Honestly, my biggest problem with Series Six so far is that I think it's a little too grounded in reality. It's very dark -- literally and metaphorically. I think it needs to lighten up a bit and have a goofy, cartoonish episode just to release some of the tension.

One that is imaginative and doesn't give us a Cyberman/Dalek/Sontaran/Auton/Silurian alliance to shove the Doctor inside a box instead of SHOOTING him dead?

I found the idea of an inescapable prison constructed just for the Doctor, because they're all terrified of him, to be far more imaginative than just shooting him.

One where people die and there are real consequences and a sense of danger?

I thought there was a surprisingly large body count in "The Rebel Flesh"/"The Almost People." And I've certainly been finding a real sense of danger to the season.

I cared more for The Hostess from Midnight and Lynda with a "Y" then I have for any spear carrier in the Moffat era.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that. But between Elizabeth X in "The Beast Below," Winston Churchill and Professor Bracewell in "Victory of the Daleks," the Bishop in "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone," Craig in "The Lodger," Karzan and Abigail in "A Christmas Carol," Canton Delaware in "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon," the TARDIS in "The Doctor's Wife," and Jimmy and Jennifer in "The Rebel Flesh"/"The Almost People," I haven't wanted for supporting characters about whom I cared in the Moffat era.

In ten years people will remember Donna Noble and Rose Tyler. They won't remember Amy.

We'll see. I daresay they'll remember all three -- although my suspicion is that Rose will be remembered more than any of the others, primarily because A) she was the first, B) she was played by a former pop star, and C) she's a pretty blonde.

Of course he wonders about it. It's clearly been troubling him for a while. But it's also apparently not something he's found any leads on yet.
The Doctor has never wondered about it.

He was still trying to figure it out at the end of "A Christmas Carol." He then spent parts of "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon" trying to figure out who invited him to Utah, and then he's spent the rest of the season trying to figure out Amy. I think it's pretty clear that the Doctor is starting to tie all of those things together. Not everything has to be explicitly spelled out.

Moffat's choice to extend his arcs further than one season at a time is certainly new to the show. It either works for you or it doesn't; I don't know that there's any sort of objective standard for how long an arc is supposed to be.

Brevity is the soul of wit, so an arc is supposed to be as long as it takes to hit all of its notes. The arc is being dragged out.

I don't agree. I think it's an interesting experiment that's working just fine.

The story falls apart under the weight of its own logical inconsistencies. Why didn't the Cybermen, Daleks and Sontarans just kill the Doctor?

How many times has the Doctor managed to come back from the dead? I wouldn't be surprised if they honestly felt the Pandorica was the only thing that could ever hold him.

If the Pandorica could survive the destruction of the universe, why couldn't they just create a huge Pandorica-space ship to survive the death of the universe?

You're misremembering the episode. It's not that the Pandorica could survive the destruction of the Universe, it's that the Pandorica preserved a bit of the Universe as it existed prior to its destruction. Mind you, what happened was that the TARDIS exploded on 26 June 2010 CE while attempting to time travel to 92 CE, creating a little pocket of space-time at Earth's location between those years, in which the Earth continued to exist in some form even while the rest of the Universe had ceased to exist. Think of Earth from the period 92-2010 as the little piece of fabric from a shirt that had been burnt.

However, even that pocket of space-time was doomed. Had it reached 26 June 2010, the whole thing would have collapsed and the universe ceased to exist. As it stood, it was already rapidly progressing its own destruction in 1996 -- possibly as a result of Old!Amy and Young!Amy touching each other.

All the Pandorica did was preserve enough of the old universe's space-time for the TARDIS to combine with it to un-do its own explosion and "reboot" the Universe. The Pandorica would not have survived the destruction of the Universe.

Remember The Stolen Earth?

Well, no, no one does, the Cracks wiped their memories, remember? ;) (I kid, I kid.)

The entire Dalek plan was to . . . destroy all universes? Remember that?

With technology they controlled and which would still allow them to exist. Hardly comparable to an explosion they don't control and which would not allow their survival.

The core philosophy that you don't commit genocide.

You mean like when the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey and killed all the Time Lords and Daleks?

Or when the Doctor drowned the last remaining Racnosses in the Universe?

As it stands, the Doctor didn't commit genocide. He tricked Humans into fighting back against the Silence, who were an occupying army. That doesn't mean that every Human who tried to kill a Silent succeeded -- in fact, the very fact that Humanity did not become widely aware of the existence of the Silence in 1968 strongly implies that the Silence got the hell out of Dodge before they could lose too many people and wiped themselves from Humans' memories as they left.

And, frankly, I'm not sure how else you could overthrow the Silence's hold on Earth.

And a lot of us aren't. About three million viewers aren't as compared to the RTD era.

About how many of those would you say were David Tennant fans moreso than Doctor Who fans?

But you're exhibiting that bizarre tribal fealty that defenders pull out for Attack of the Clones or Enterprise.

That, or he actually enjoys it. Just a thought.

I'm enduring this poorly written dragged out arc counting the episodes until Moffat leaves and someone better (Gaiman, cough cough) becomes the showrunner.

Neil Gaiman has never run a television program and I doubt he ever will. The overwhelming majority of his career has been as a comics and prose writer, with the occasional film screenplay, not a television writer. He's clearly a talented screenwriter, but it's highly improbable he'd be appointed as the showrunner of one of the BBC's biggest and most important and most expensive shows when he has no showrunning experience whatsoever, and has only ever occasionally written for television.

Now, Richard Curtis, on the other hand...
 
Just a thought about the Pandorica Alliance...I still think we've not seen the last of them (except maybe the Dalek part). We were never told how they came together. I believe that was done on purpose. There are still elements that have been seeded in previous stories that will hopefully be revealed in episodes to come and by series six's end. I'm having an absolute blast this past series and a half.
 
I was going to start rewatching Season 5 tonight to see if I missed anything the first time around (I often have to watch things twice to pick up on everything), but either Netflix, PSN, or my internet provider was being a douchebag, so I was only able to get through about half of "The Eleventh Hour" before I got annoyed and turned it off.
 
The entire Dalek plan was to . . . destroy all universes? Remember that?
Those were the Time War-era Daleks. The progenitor-era Daleks are a new (yet old) branch of the species, their goals aren't necessarily the same.
 
The entire Dalek plan was to . . . destroy all universes? Remember that?
Those were the Time War-era Daleks. The progenitor-era Daleks are a new (yet old) branch of the species, their goals aren't necessarily the same.

The point is that someone made a big deal about Steven Moffat's era being terrible because it's not Doctor Who because it endorses genocide. When in fact it was in his beloved RTD era that genocide was used twice. So far as I know, genocide has not been a part of of the last two seasons. Oh and The Silents don't count because they can run away.
 
Every season of RTD's run had a series long arc. So that's not a factual statement.

Actually in the first three seasons there were hints that foreshadowed the last episodes (Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Mister Saxon). Only in the fourth season was there a genuine arc.

The story falls apart under the weight of its own logical inconsistencies. Why didn't the Cybermen, Daleks and Sontarans just kill the Doctor?

Because they've tried that over a billion times and never succeeded. Honestly isn't that the definition of insanity. Doing things over and over again and expecting different results. Trapping the doctor was pretty original.


Why did they put him inside the Pandorica? If the Pandorica could survive the destruction of the universe, why couldn't they just create a huge Pandorica-space ship to survive the death of the universe?

I think it was implied that they were hoodwinked by an outside force. I don't think it's the Silents (the last words in the Tardis was "The SILENCE shall fall").

Remember The Stolen Earth? The entire Dalek plan was to . . . destroy all universes?

Actually that was Davros' mad plan. Daleks aren't naturally genocidal (being a slave master is the ultimate form of superiority).

And a lot of us aren't. About three million viewers aren't as compared to the RTD era.

The decrease in viewers started under RTD.

I'm enduring this poorly written dragged out arc counting the episodes until Moffat leaves and someone better (Gaiman, cough cough) becomes the showrunner.

Give me a break, you're "enduring" so you can complain about the show. Honestly you're the worst kind of fan. (Yes I know what I said was wrong but someone had to say it.)
 
Not only was it Davros' mad plan but he was tricked into believing a false prophecy from Dalek Caan.

"Prophecy is a poor guide to the future because you only understand the events when they are upon you"

It's not that the prophecy was false, its just how Davros chose to interpret it. Also keep in mind that Dalek Caan was insane from breaking the time lock so I don't think anyone lied, they were just crazy :lol:
 
From Blogtor Who...a new clip

http://youtu.be/xSSvq-A5aRk

Rory is in the costume on the Doctor's suggestion

He also refers to the child as "our baby"...confirming it is definitely Rory and Amy's? Unless he's mistaken?

Again with River saying that this is the day the Doctor finds out just who she is...
 
the official site was updated recently, and the homepage has the following spoken words:

demons run when a good man goes to war
night will fall and drown the sun when a good man goes to war
friendship dies and true love lies
night will fall and dark will raise when a good man goes to war
 
"getting some people together"

Curious as to who this is going to be.
 
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