A future trek show, seeded in ENT

[starsuperion]

I was wondering, what a future Star Trek series would be like if the writers and producers at paramount decided to go ahead and continue the line of shows from the original series continuity..

One such idea and hope of mine was that from the ashes of the late STE series was a show developed around the missions of a new crew, and future based on the Enterprise J shown to Archer by the time traveling agent known as Daniels..

From what we know there is a great battle against the transdimensional beings some 400 years into the future, and with there being so little known about that future, why not advance it even more?

With there being a temporal cold war that sometimes reaches the future, maybe we could even find out who the villain was who was sending messages to the suliban in Archer's time..

I am not suggesting I have the story written up or anything, but just wanting to hear what other STE fans think of the idea? I mean TNG went into unexplored space in some areas, and voyager was caught in the Delta Quadrant, but what about a new series focusing on aspects of the Enterprise storylines, and some left standing in the TOS series as well..

I mean Spock, and Kirk could have had children from the Classic series who end up in the new show as well..maybe even an archer descendent..or a Riker descendent..

maybe Daniels or some other time organization pulls a child from the Tundra ice age on Sarpeidon where Spock had an unknown child with Zarabeth from "all our yesterdays"

Or Kirk could have had an unknown child out there as well from the queen of the people from Scalos in the episode "wink of an eye"

(I picked those scenarios because those were explicitly implied instances where spock and kirk could've copulated and spawned an illegitimate child..)

Or we could just go with an entirely different crew with no relation to past characters like in the TNG series..

anyhow, I think that the Enterprise J as depicted in art and the ENT series was amazing looking, and I would love to see a series developed around the premise of that ship being sent into very deep space to explore, and run into outrageous beings like the classic TOS series had..

maybe even a drop by guest star by another "Q" character..

I know Paramount doesn't want to dilute the star trek brand by producing a new show while a movie is out, but Enterprise did lay a foundation for a potential series, which I find very intriguing...

What say you? I'd love to hear what ya'lls thoughts are..

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Enterprise-J's battle against the Sphere Builders in the Delphic Expanse, seen in "Azati Prime", isn't part of Trek's "prime" (ENT/TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY) timeline, where the Expanse was destroyed in "Zero Hour", several hundred years early. The Enterprise-J may not exist in the post-Nemesis future, or if it does it could be as different as the Enterprises in TOS and STXI were (and that's witb only 25 years' divergence in the timeline)

Also, FWIW. the identity of Future Guy is revealed in the novel Star Trek: Department of Temporal Investigations: Watching the Clock. And Spock and Zarabeth did have a son, named Zar, in the novels Yesterday's Son and Return to Yesterday. And Kirk fathered a child in Preserver.

But, really, I don't see much potential in a further Berman-Trek spin off. I'd much rather a rebooted TOS series - because the classic characters hold much more appeal to me than the future of the already-over-complicated Trek universe.

 

[xortex]

A prequil to the prequil is the way to go, but it must be more firmly rooted in reality. People have to know exactly what's going on and why, not just indiscriminant space tourism. TOS got away with it because it wasTOS but let's face it, that is never going to happen again. It was a miracle of rare design. Also anything new is always redesigned and the old stuff is thrown out no matter how good it is or was so say goodbye to the Enterprise J as well as the next phase Enterprise etc. I wouldn't want to start in ENT unless either it or the new series thing is in an alternate reality. I don't want to see that ship in any time period, and I used to like P-38s. What's it called, the Akiraprise? ENT was morose. A watered down BBC production. Had they merged it with Dr. Who it would have been more interesting. It's a blind or at least a dark alley.

 

[Finn]

I got the impression that this conflict was butterflied away in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline. In other words, the conflict appeared to have happened in a timeline where the 24th Century was different from one many of us grew up with on TV.

 

[ChristopherPike]

The Temporal Cold War would probably have opened up another front in the centuries after TNG, I suppose. With some alteration in ENT impacting later in the timeline.

Personally I'd just want TV Star Trek to pick off where it left off. Reimagined without any TCW influences on the 22nd Century; if a clean slate was the only way to get it considered. Like pulling the wool over CBS bosses' eyes, that this wouldn't be ENT and have a new sexy young cast. Then kill them off one-by-one and start feeding back former cast members into the series, in whatever alternate lives they've been leading!

 

[Queen Mab]

A prequil to the prequil is the way to go, but it must be more firmly rooted in reality. People have to know exactly what's going on and why, not just indiscriminant space tourism. TOS got away with it because it wasTOS but let's face it, that is never going to happen again. It was a miracle of rare design. Also anything new is always redesigned and the old stuff is thrown out no matter how good it is or was so say goodbye to the Enterprise J as well as the next phase Enterprise etc. I wouldn't want to start in ENT unless either it or the new series thing is in an alternate reality. I don't want to see that ship in any time period, and I used to like P-38s. What's it called, the Akiraprise? ENT was morose. A watered down BBC production. Had they merged it with Dr. Who it would have been more interesting. It's a blind or at least a dark alley.

BBC Production?

Could you elaborate on that?

 

[shapeshifter]

Re: A future trek show, seeded in ENT

Star Trek ##: The Great Flushing Of Even More Money Down The Shitter

Look, I get ENT, I even like most of it. However most do not and therefore it would fail. The throbbing masses would totally ignore it out of spite of the Producers for even trying to dredge that well again. It would need to be written and promoted to the Nth Degree even to have a chance. Too risky.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Waitaminute.... wasn't every Trek show technically (retconningly) seeded in ENT? Every time you see the Federation, that's what Archer started. Every time you see a Starship Enterprise, it's named for the NX-01. Every time you see someone beaming, that's Back Wheelchair Guy's invention.

Yeah?

 

[number6]

For the love of God..

It's spelled Prequel.




And King Daniel has it right.. Every Trek show is technically seeded in ENT.

I doubt that ENT is going to come back or even serve as inspiration for a new series. If a Trek series ever happens again it will either be a reboot of TOS, Star Fleet Academy or some new crew trotted out on some other ship.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

For the love of God..

It's spelled Prequel.

Excuse me. Who anointed you the really rude spelling monitor?

Lots of people in this world have trouble with spelling. My dad had 4 masters degrees, and he couldn't spell. I see misspelled words here and there on the board all the time. So what? Unless a post is filled with them, making it difficult to understand, it's no skin off your nose, is it? Certainly not cause for such discourtesy.

Be nice. Okay? Thank you.

 

[number6]

The same person spelling it wrong over and over again brings out my grammar rage.

Lots of people have lots of trouble with lots of things. Many others get to point that out without the mod's hairy eyeball. Am I just your favourite? I'm probably the only one posting here who actually likes the show.

 

[Kotik]

Number 6. With all respect to your ego, but there are other people here, who like the show and would you please stop attacking other members? Some of us aren't native speakers, so there are bound to be misplaced commas, spelling mistakes, the lot. Learn to live with it, please.

Now - to get this thread back on track...

Some said already that technically all shows are seeded in ENT. But another one seems out of question for several reasons. Many people suffer from franchise fatigue, after 18 years of ST TV series runs and since the Killer-B's effectively wrecked the show with the abomination called TATV, I can't see ENT getting a second lease on life

 

[xortex]

Well technically, it can't. Different writers, different designs etc. Changing everything would only be natural. Archer et al will always still exist but there is no reason for them per say to come back. It's a big universe with plenty of other actors and character names to add to the franchise than sticking with Bacula's approach. That would be beating a dead horse, but I do think any future show should be rooted in this time period - the wild and wooly, but with a more solid premise than space tourism and voyeurism.

 

[number6]

Number 6. With all respect to your ego, but there are other people here, who like the show and would you please stop attacking other members? Some of us aren't native speakers, so there are bound to be misplaced commas, spelling mistakes, the lot. Learn to live with it, please.

I'm gratified that people like yourself are allowed to scold me on the internets and attack my ego, because it must fill you with some great sense of empowerment. I applaud your tone and overall scoldiness. I can't tell you how many times I've traveled to foreign countries and people correct me when I try to speak their language in an attempt to be helpful. Never for a second to I scold them and tell them to learn to live with it. I usually try to learn and respect their language. Thank you so very much for your condescending lesson. I can learn so much from you. How much can I pay you to berate me on a regular basis? It makes me so very horny.

Now - to get this thread back on track...

I don't see your name in green.

Some said already that technically all shows are seeded in ENT. But another one seems out of question for several reasons. Many people suffer from franchise fatigue, after 18 years of ST TV series runs and since the Killer-B's effectively wrecked the show with the abomination called TATV, I can't see ENT getting a second lease on life

I can't take this argument seriously because you need to resort to name calling to prove your point. The "Killer-B's" are also equally responsible for several hundreds of hours of quality television for you to whine about. There are a lot of other factors that contributed to the demise of the television franchise than the finale they wrote, which wasn't exactly an "abomination." Disappointing, yes, but hardly deserving of the continued piles of disdain that it gets.

ENT was cancelled. Whether TATV got made or not, nothing was going to change it. People will discover it in hindsight and find it wasn't so bad at all. In fact, it was pretty good. People will wonder what the "fans" were all so angry about, as I have during the run of the series. The irrational hatred of the producers always baffled me. I met Brannon Braga.. Seems like a real down to earth genuinely nice, creative guy. Even he says that TATV didn't turn out as great as he wanted, but he wrote some great Star Trek episodes. I don't see where fans think they have the right to shit on him, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Number 6. With all respect to your ego, but there are other people here, who like the show and would you please stop attacking other members?

Kotik, if you have a problem with another poster, use the handy notify button, and the mods will take care of it.

Am I just your favourite?

All ENT fans are my favorites!

But since you asked, you've gotten my attention lately with your determination to express your disagreement (no problem), sometimes repeating yourself ad nauseum, (tolerable, if redundant), leaving many a bent nose in your wake (this is not so good). Which brings us to:

I'm gratified that people like yourself are allowed to scold me on the internets and attack my ego, because it must fill you with some great sense of empowerment. I applaud your tone and overall scoldiness. I can't tell you how many times I've traveled to foreign countries and people correct me when I try to speak their language in an attempt to be helpful. Never for a second to I scold them and tell them to learn to live with it. I usually try to learn and respect their language. Thank you so very much for your condescending lesson. I can learn so much from you. How much can I pay you to berate me on a regular basis? It makes me so very horny.

What part of "be nice" did you not understand?

Warning for trolling. Comments to PM.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Back on the regularly scheduled topic...

I'd like to see another swipe at ENT, not a series based on ENT. Just take the idea of a story about Starfleet around the time of the Federation and do a better job of it this time around. It's still a terrific premise.

However, realistically, a new series would be based on JJ Abrams' movies because success breeds success.

 

[ChristopherPike]

^ Now you're talkin'! You'd want an all-new cast I suppose? Just a couple of requests, keep Bakula as Archer in the Admiral back home place Forrest or Gardener occupied in the Prime Universe, and occasional guest spots for would-be NX-01 crew members, out there living out alternate lives in the Abramsverse.

Pin the changes down to the lack of a Temporal Cold War. NX-01 isn't rushed into service in 2151 because Klaang was never pursued by Suliban through an Oklahoma cornfield. Still is a test bed for Earth's first Warp 5 engine. Changes to how history plays out, cascading down from what happens next.

 

[xortex]

Any new series is going to throw canon to the wind as in the 'I don't know you from Abrams' syndrome will hopefully take over and they will reimagine it totally side stepping and ignoring it all together. To me the Vulcan - Human relationship was all wrong and too antagonistic, and too dominant. The ship designs - ext., int. were all too drab and depressing and cloistrophobic. I hate the Nick Meyer gritty submarine approach. Not as bad as the Rick Sternbach, Mike Okuda approach but I hate those too. The costumes and characters are not even worth mentioning. They should have made T'Pol - T'Pau at least, so I really hate it and I'm trying to submit three Enterprise novels to Simon and Schuster and wish I didn't.

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ I hope they were better formatted and written than your posts. Hopefully with an emphasis on cohesion and comprehension.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Any new series is going to throw canon to the wind as in the 'I don't know you from Abrams' syndrome will hopefully take over and they will reimagine it totally side stepping and ignoring it all together. To me the Vulcan - Human relationship was all wrong and too antagonistic, and too dominant. The ship designs - ext., int. were all too drab and depressing and cloistrophobic. I hate the Nick Meyer gritty submarine approach. Not as bad as the Rick Sternbach, Mike Okuda approach but I hate those too. The costumes and characters are not even worth mentioning. They should have made T'Pol - T'Pau at least, so I really hate it and I'm trying to submit three Enterprise novels to Simon and Schuster and wish I didn't.

Dude, if they're anything like your TBBS posts, I'd read 'em!