I see what you did there.
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I see what you did there.
I would love to see Derek Jacobi as the Master again!! He was only the master for 10 minutes though, so that's an issue. ...Unless he was not found as a child (false memory) on the Silver Devastation who grew up to be Professor Yana. He could have been only Yana for a few years and had false memories and the Derek Jacobi Master was the one who fought in the time war. Since the Doctor did not even know the Master fought in the Time war he would have never have seen the Jacobi Master, hence did not recognize Yana in Utopia. Could work 
To be honest, until I saw the "making of" clip for that scene, I thought they were cardboard standees.
I just watched Rogue One earlier this evening and I admit that the Tarkin & Leia appearances look a little off, but part of that is psychological as you know its not them. Now the Jack Lord 'cameo' in the season 7 opener for Hawaii-Five-0, that's a little different, it definitely didn't look real. If its like that, there could be problems
Yeah, I don't want them to do a CG duplicate of Roger Delgado or Anthony Ainley. If they're going to bring back another former Master besides Simm, just go with the Dead Assassin Master. He was played by two separate actors anyway, and since they'd be wearing prosthetics anyway you don't have to worry about getting an actor who looks similar either one of them. And I'd love to see how they'd pull off that particular Master with modern capabilities.
Yeah, same here. Some of them look okay, but Tom Baker looks like the wax dummy for that Five Doctors group photo.
Yeah, I agree there's a psychological component to it. I didn't know about the CGI masking going into Rogue One so imagine my shock when I saw Tarkin in full force, looking just like Peter Cushing (and not Wayne Pygram). I spent most of his scenes in the theater trying to figure out what I was looking at but my brain couldn't quite parse it. When I saw it again, after knowing the technical details behind it, it seemed a bit more obvious the second time (which was also in the theater). That being said, Leia stood out from the get go, largely because of her smooth skin (in contrast to Tarkin's shadowy, craggy face) and the spacing and the sizing of her eyes.
I had no idea they did that with Jack Lord. Why on earth...just why?
I had no idea they did that with Jack Lord. Why on earth...just why?
Right, although I think they should bring back Geoffery Beevers specifically because of his continuous work for Big Finish. The Master is very much in the forefront of his mind these days and clearly enjoys it.
They looked like what they were: Badly photoshopped images upon new actors' stand-ins. Some of them worked - the Seventh Doctor was uncanny, I though. But the Eighth... oh, boy.
Never understood why couldn't they just insert McGann from Night in there. WHY. NOT?!
I didn't realize Geoffrey Beevers was still acting. But yeah, totally bring him back.
Alas, I too have wondered about that.
If they're really
going multi-Master in the sense of there being more than two then it seems likely they'll recast a previous incarnation (thinking Ainley) or do a John Hurt (thinking Cumby). I'm not sure that a Simm appearance alone would qualify as "mind-melting" considering that most kids might be too young to remember him after seven years. But then, sometimes it ain't what you do but the way that you do it.
The Twenty-Five Masters, anyone? Maybe they could even stick in an image of Jonathan Pryce.
The Twenty-Five Masters, anyone? Maybe they could even stick in an image of Jonathan Pryce.
Could Beevers play a pre-crispy Master?
I'm totally down using CGI Masters in moderation. They need to scale their appearances to fit whatever degree they can pull it off. That's assuming they get the permission from the various estates, but that goes without saying.
Don't overdo it and look silly. But, I'm down for a few more Master's appearing via CGI. Would like the real Beevers back though!
Don't overdo it and look silly. But, I'm down for a few more Master's appearing via CGI. Would like the real Beevers back though!
Ugh, that explains that. That would've been fine for The Five-ish Doctors, but not "The Day of the Doctor."
Great, now I'm going to be disappointed if Jonathan Pryce isn't among the multitude of Masters! 
I suppose that could happen but no one would recognize him as The Master, including the die-hard fans. The Big Finish version has taken to revamp his crispy appearance in some of his appearances, but I don't think even there he's ever played a fully fleshed-Master (but I could be wrong on that count).
Hmm, I wonder, bring back Eric Roberts and have him do that weird venom-spitting thing from the movie. Then have Simm and Gomez staring at him with embarrassed looks. "I'm glad we outgrew that."
He could, but what would be the point? If you're going to bring back a previous Master, play them as the incarnation they're best known as.
The only two real 'missing pieces of Time Lord history' regarding the Master are 1) When/How did Delgado become Crispy Beevers and 2) When/How did Roberts get freed from the TARDIS' Eye of Harmony and given a new body and set of regenerations (and by who). Which, if they're going the CGI route for an Eric Roberts cameo, should mean Alex MacQueen will be showing up too (as that's who Roberts regenerates into) - a Master new to TV audiences, but not to Big Finish listeners.
This very week, the new issue of Doctor Who Magazine concluded a comic story where Delgado's Master clashed with Twelve and was last seen in mid-regeneration, though presumably not into Beevers as he didn't seem worried about having no lives left. (A good thing, as both Big Finish and the Eighth Doctor BBC novels had separate - but not necessarily irreconcilable - accounts of #1 already.) So I'm tending to discount a Delgado cameo here.
This very week, the new issue of Doctor Who Magazine concluded a comic story where Delgado's Master clashed with Twelve and was last seen in mid-regeneration, though presumably not into Beevers as he didn't seem worried about having no lives left. (A good thing, as both Big Finish and the Eighth Doctor BBC novels had separate - but not necessarily irreconcilable - accounts of #1 already.) So I'm tending to discount a Delgado cameo here.
Wow, that's huge. I was fine with Tarkin (I thought it looked pretty good, honestly), and I'd be up to seeing a CG Delgado or especially Ainley (as long as they got permission to use their likenesses, which I'm sure they did if they're actually doing this).
It also depends how they use them. A brief appearance with a line or two would be easier to pull off then giving them a lot of time like Tarkin had in Rogue One. Regardless, I'm definitely hoping this ends up happening.
It also depends how they use them. A brief appearance with a line or two would be easier to pull off then giving them a lot of time like Tarkin had in Rogue One. Regardless, I'm definitely hoping this ends up happening.
This might actually count as a "mind melting" surprise for me.
Didn't Moffat even talk recently about bringing back Hartnell, Troughton or Pertwee through CG doubles like in Rogue One where he dismissed the idea saying "BBC doesn't have that kind of money."
